Why the world needs a reset ....

@Eklipse now you have me thinking ...

@ozgirl512 How?

@Eklipse physically ...

@DiminishedResponsibility no, but very good on the straight

@ozgirl512 Are you allowed to say "straight" on here? 🤣🤣

@DiminishedResponsibility clause 5 A) ;)

@ninjavu terribly real!

@ozgirl512 Yeah, except for the set of wheels in the middle. If it's not articulated, how would it even corner?! 🤣

@checkoutanytime You keep saying "lobbyists", so you do take an absolute stance here. While "lobbying" isn't nescesarily wrong. There are just forms of lobbying that are dangerous. And the difficult question, is always how to define those that endanger the concept of democracy vs that what benefits the concept of democracy. And then create a framework were one is allowed and the other is not.

We already do that to a degree btw. Like discussions that are resolved by paying the arbiter [i](that person that makes the ultimate descision)[/i] to vote in the payers favourite we label is illegale in most countries. In other words, influecing politicians by bribing is a form of lobbying that we hope to ban in practise. Maybe the list of what should be banned, should be a bit longer then it's today, instead of taking on all forms of lobbying.

@Kwek00 the ones that put up money for a vote = piracy. The lobbyists that are merely people never get heard anymore, is the fine line the fore fathers laidout for all citizens in the first amendment.

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@checkoutanytime You can say that... but are there actually measurements of any of this? Or is this a perception? I honestly don't have the answer for that in the united states. I just know that over here, a lot of these organisations are often invided and then a compromise is being made. And sometimes the organisations that sat at the table have the same criticism that you have, and sometimes a good number of them felt that they were listened too. At the end of the day, it's still the representative that decides. Then voters [i](that's us)[/i] need to be informed about these things so they can make an informed choice to either reward that politician or kick that person out of office.

@ozgirl512 what what

@ozgirl512 Why, 🤔 is this in Texas?

@Peaches i think it was

@ChampagneOnIce it does indicate a certain detachment from reality methinks

@ozgirl512 Oh, no doubt about that. It represents ego and excess, two things I detest.

@ChampagneOnIce i think that about sums it up!