Do you support Israel?

@AthrillatheHunt why do you support Zionism?

@Babylon I support the Jewish peoples right to a homeland . Not like they’re exactly welcome in many parts of the world .

@AthrillatheHunt do you think Palestinians have a right to a homeland? In the face of a Jewish homeland, do Palestinians lose their right to their homeland?

@Babylon the people you refer to as Palestinians were offered citizenship but refused . They have been lied to and used and manipulated for close to a century now .
Even their Muslim brothers are now abandoning them and making peace w the zionists .
What does that tell you ?
Separate topic : but I can’t think of any Islamic contribution to the world in the past 1000 years other than oil (which they didn’t even discover ).
Can you think of anything?

@AthrillatheHunt I will allow you the opportunity to do some research on what you just said.

1. Why would Palestinians be offered citizenship to their own land while Zionists are invading them?
Shouldn't the invaders be civilized and ask for right to immigration?

2. The "Muslim brothers" you speak of that are opening up clubs and allowing drinking and stuff? 😂
The ones that want money and rule the system?

And I'll allow you the chance to retract that statement insulting the contributions of Islam and Muslims to the world. I can think of a LOT of things, as a matter fact. And if you really are convinced that Muslims haven't made some of the GREATEST contributions, then just ask me. You'll get a free history lesson

@Babylon I say this in a sincere way;
Please educate me on Islamic achievements in the past Millenium.

@AthrillatheHunt no sweat. Give me some time cuz I don't have enough to compile everything immediately. If you have time and don't mind watching a YouTube documentary or academic presentation on the metter, I can send you links. My preference is to collect some names of meaningful contributions or discoveries for you and you can do research to find informatiom about them in your own time

@Babylon we are talking about a 1000 year time period .
You should be able to name a dozen achievements off the top of your head without research needed .
And I have already researched it .

@AthrillatheHunt if there's one thing about Arab names man, they're long 😂
I also don't know their exact time periods. You might be talking about a 1000 year time period, but I know the contributions started maybe up to even 1300 years ago

Just give me some time to go back and compile. I promise I will get back to you shortly with the contributprs I got in mind and their times

@Babylon let me save you some time :
The Arab world was incredibly advanced until the arrival of Islam.

@AthrillatheHunt architecture engineering poetry science medicine .
It all ceased immediately .
Although I would consider the burg Dubai to be a modern day engineering marvel .

@AthrillatheHunt[quote] let me save you some time :
The Arab world was incredibly advanced until the arrival of Islam.

architecture engineering poetry science medicine .
It all ceased immediately .
Although I would consider the burg Dubai to be a modern day engineering marvel .

[/quote]

with all due respect, you couldn't be farther from the truth. Until the arrival of Islam, the Arab pagans were ignorant, illiterate, barbaric people with such a corrupt system. After Islam, [b]that[/b] was when you find the greatest contributions that galvanized science and a culture of science and appreciation for study across the globe. The Muslims had actually built an empire of knowledge while the Europeans were living in the dark ages. In fact, you can't appreciate the word science without knowing the Muslims.

To give a quick run down of the people at the time before Islam there and their culture, they were known for battling with poetry and just being a barren land with a house full of idols where people from far and wide came to worship. Their main trade was linguistics. That was it. A people of the tongue.

Let me give a quick example how corrupt they were. You know about donkeys, right? We don't consider donkeys more important than humans. Muslims don't consider donkeys more important than humans. When a donkey gives birth, farmers would never kill baby donkeys, but the Arab pagans before Islam would [b]bury baby girls alive back then.[/b]
Can you imagine when you look at a baby donkey, they would see it has value and they hold and carry a baby girl and considered her worthless? That it weighs nothing to bury them alive? Allah actually addresses and criticizes them in His message to mankind.

https://quran.com/16/58-59
[quote][58]Whenever one of them is given the good news of a baby girl, his face grows gloomy, as he suppresses his rage.
[59]He hides himself from the people because of the bad news he has received. Should he keep her in disgrace, or bury her ˹alive˺ in the ground? Evil indeed is their judgment!
[/quote]
https://quran.com/81/8-9
[quote][8] And when the girl [who was] buried alive is asked
[9]For what sin she was killed
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They were not incredibly advanced before Islam. They were barbarians back then. This is just [b]one[/b] tiny example. Do you know how many corruptions Islam purified the Arab pagans of? History demonstrates how women had no rights back then. Read into how many rights were bestowed upon women, from marriage. To business, to equality, to property rights, to freedom of speech, to worth, value, and esteem. Read about how women were treated in the Ottoman empire, how they were allowed to do things outlandish to Europeans until the 19th century, like participating in government and being business owners and so much more I cannot list off the top of my head. Islam freed women of significant oppression and dehumanization. Slavery was a problem back then, too. (Not the degenerate, barbaric, torturous slavery against blacks done by a group of corrupt white men who slaughtered the Natives in America, though). Islam came to end slavery. Some Muslim scholars don't even define it as slavery under Islamic practice because the slave has dignity and honor. They define them as servants. In Islam, you cannot abuse prisoners of war, like in Abu Ghraib. You're not allowed to harm a single soul. In fact, you feed them, clothe them, give them a place to sleep, and you gotta respect them. They have to listen to you but you cannot hurt them, lie against them, or manipulate them. The kind of predatory slavery that had people and their children endlessly enslaved (somehow, the children are slaves too because it was meant to be really evil and abysmal) was eradicated from the land, over a millennia ago. Islam freed the people. Islam changed Mecca and Medina from places of rotten behaviors to a place free of slavery and religious oppression.

What came next? Islam makes it incumbent upon Muslims to study and learn. Muslims began studying and learning. Read the history of the sciences and historic achievements, how Muslims would experiment and investigate the properties of this wonderful cosmos we see before us. When you look and learn about how modern science came from the Muslims and learn that these people changed because of Islam will blow your mind. From illiterate, drunk, brothel running, slave owning, baby girl burying people emerged one of the most impressive societies. Read about Ibn Haytham, a mathematician, astronomer, and physicist. He is known as the Father of Optics (or father of Modern optics). Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi, known to later Latin scientists as Algorithmi is who modern mathematicians base their entire life works on. You like universities today? Know that he is known as the Father of Algebra for the current, western scientific age. He was also an astronomer too who was the leader of the library of the House of Wisdom. Flight? Look up the first man to fly. In American history, (even check it online right now), you'll see the people displayed are Wilbur and Orville Wright with their glider that was used to successfully fly a bit down a hill. You search and see even earlier, Da Vinci was formulating and postulating flight and how someone might be able to fly with gliders, perhaps. You know who came before Da Vinci and beat the Wright brothers by over a millennia? Abbas ibn Firnas. But they don't teach you about his genius and success, do they? There are SO many more. Algebra coming from Kitab Al-Jabr is like how alchemy comes Jabir ibn Hayyan, the father of Alchemy/Chemistry. These people were Muslims. They were religious and grew to learn and teach to help the world because Muslims believe that it is a responsibility to learn and that Allah tells them to give from what is given to them, including knowledge and wisdom. Speaking of that, it reminds me of the first university-like, academic institute ever. Today, if you even search up the first university, the history of it (I think it is university of Bologna) you'll find that it was a system adopted to be like al-Qarawiyyin. al-Qarawiyyin, today recognized rightfully as the first university ever, was founded by a Muslim [b]woman[/b] and is still running to this day, making it the oldest university known. Women in Islam are some of the most powerful leaders and scholarly figures. [Yeah, I am taking this moment to still highlight that at one point before Islam, the Arabs were literal barbarians and we oughta thank Islam for that 😪]
When you ask what contributions Islam has made, I almost can't stop seeing it after I dove into history to find out what really happened back then. I see the contributions of Muslims everywhere. Medicine, science, math, you name it. There is so much more and soooo many more people after Islam came to them that made incredible growth in the name of science and religion. I wonder how people don't recognize or even know these things sometimes. Maybe Western history erases it (because it is a known strategy to try and outshine other civilizations and bring an air of superiority), but you and I shouldn't trust a history built on cover ups and lies.

Islam advanced the world. It changed the Arabs and made them from an empty desert with nothing to be proud of to one of the greatest people. And it wasn't Arabs that did this. Islam is a way of life from Allah and you'll see that Arabs didn't use this to be "on top of the world." Islam's touch had spread far east and far west. At the time of this era of enlightnment and knowledge, this was around the Viking era, where Europeans were running around in forrests, painting their faces blue. But look at culture and society today. Shows glorifying barbarians demonize the Muslims (and falsely generalize them as Arabs).

I encourage you to read the history of the sciences. If you think Dubai or Qatar are impressive, they're nothing compared to how the Muslims of the past pushed the whole [b]world[/b] forwards. A lot of systems we see today were adopted from the academia of Muslims. You'd also be surprised how scrutinous Muslims took preservation of information and honesty in history. Again, I can share academic presentations or documents of history. Just let me know if thisnis enough. I'm overwhelmed trying to remember everything Muslims have contributed to the world with throughout history.

Today, Muslims have fallen apart. After learning about the teachings in Islam, it has a lot of solutions to the problems of the world. When the British Empire successfully systematically destroyed the Ottoman Empire (of course, after the Ottoman Empire had lost its purity and became corrupt, disunited, and destroyable), the baton was passed onto the Europeans who learned from the Muslims (evidently now, without their due credit). Today we see what happens after a great industrial bloom based on the eradication of Native Americans, the backs of innocent African slaves who were forced to do huge manual labor to help push this nation ahead of others, then with this built up resources (and some being taken from other lands to support our economy) it paves the way for scientists and engineers to be able to have the money, government grants, and tools to study and continue to build off of what Islam has brought to us through our forefathers. History is important, but what is more important is that you know the truth.

I am not perfect and can make mistakes so go back, verify and validate the information I gave. Correct me too, because I gotta learn as well. Hopefully though, since you sincerely asked, I sincerely present to you that history demonstrates that Islam has definitely changed the Arabs to be a better people and that this world thanks and appreciates the Muslim contribution and we push the baton forwards.