Californians are not completely stupid. They keep giving up Democrats for president but when they get sick of their taxes being raised, they elect a
Republican Governor.
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Northwest 路 M
@ElwoodBlues [quote]For the hardware, maybe.[/quote]
Let's see.
iPhone: Apple, Cupertino, California
Android: reference design, Google, Mountain View, California
Mac: Apple, Cupertino, California
ChromeBook: Google, Mountain View, California
Windows Machine: Intel or AMD CPUs: Santa Clara, California
[quote]Much of the software design originated in New Jersey.[/quote]
That's a tall order. A real tall one.
Android OS: Google, Mountain View, California
Apple OSes: Apple, Cupertino, California
Chrome OS: Google, Mountain View, California
Windows OS: Redmond, Washington - OK, Not California
New Jersey: No
[quote]Even WinNT was hugely inspired by Bell Labs' Unix.[/quote]
Inspired is a very tall order. This would be like saying the Lamborghini was inspired by the Flinstones. WinNT was developed as a kernel nearly 30 years, but current Windows has very little to nothing to do with it.
Let's see.
iPhone: Apple, Cupertino, California
Android: reference design, Google, Mountain View, California
Mac: Apple, Cupertino, California
ChromeBook: Google, Mountain View, California
Windows Machine: Intel or AMD CPUs: Santa Clara, California
[quote]Much of the software design originated in New Jersey.[/quote]
That's a tall order. A real tall one.
Android OS: Google, Mountain View, California
Apple OSes: Apple, Cupertino, California
Chrome OS: Google, Mountain View, California
Windows OS: Redmond, Washington - OK, Not California
New Jersey: No
[quote]Even WinNT was hugely inspired by Bell Labs' Unix.[/quote]
Inspired is a very tall order. This would be like saying the Lamborghini was inspired by the Flinstones. WinNT was developed as a kernel nearly 30 years, but current Windows has very little to nothing to do with it.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow 路 41-45, M
@Northwest [quote]Inspired is a very tall order. This would be like saying the Lamborghini was inspired by the Flinstones. WinNT was developed as a kernel nearly 30 years, but current Windows has very little to nothing to do with it.
[/quote]
By that logic calling Android and Chrome OS a product of google is a bit of a stretch since they are basically heavily modified versions of Gentoo Linux.
Just like basically every browser not Firefox is essentially Google's fork of Apple's Webkit which was used to build Safari. Claiming you can credit any one specific source for tech is messy business. I mean you could make the case all ARM based devises both Apple and Samsung and all the rest owe their existence to the UK government.
Even AMD's GPUs are basically a rebrand of a Canadian company out of Markham, Ontario.
Sure Silicon Valley was a phenomenon but tech has always been kind of messy when it comes to who gets credit for what.
I noticed you conveniently left out Microsoft. I guess Redmond doesn't matter? lol
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By that logic calling Android and Chrome OS a product of google is a bit of a stretch since they are basically heavily modified versions of Gentoo Linux.
Just like basically every browser not Firefox is essentially Google's fork of Apple's Webkit which was used to build Safari. Claiming you can credit any one specific source for tech is messy business. I mean you could make the case all ARM based devises both Apple and Samsung and all the rest owe their existence to the UK government.
Even AMD's GPUs are basically a rebrand of a Canadian company out of Markham, Ontario.
Sure Silicon Valley was a phenomenon but tech has always been kind of messy when it comes to who gets credit for what.
I noticed you conveniently left out Microsoft. I guess Redmond doesn't matter? lol
Northwest 路 M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow [quote]By that logic calling Android and Chrome OS a product of google is a bit of a stretch since they are basically heavily modified versions of Gentoo Linux.[/quote]
Not even close. Chromium OS includes the Portage package manager, part of the Gentoo Linux, but that's just the package manager, not the OS itself.
[quote]Just like basically every browser not Firefox is essentially Google's fork of Apple's Webkit which was used to build Safari. Claiming you can credit any one specific source for tech is messy business. I mean you could make the case all ARM based devises both Apple and Samsung and all the rest owe their existence to the UK government.[/quote]
You're slamming a bunch of terms together, but they still don't mean much.
A Browser is NOT the OS. In the case of Chromebook, the browser is the UI for the OS.
Even Microsoft Edge is now Chromium based.
[quote]Even AMD's GPUs are basically a rebrand of a Canadian company out of Markham, Ontario.[/quote]
馃ぃ AMD bought ATI 15 years ago, and absorbed it. You didn't seriously call the AMD GPUs a rebrand of the ATI graphics engine, did you? I guess if you own a 15 year old PC and there's been no graphics innovation since.
[quote]Sure Silicon Valley was a phenomenon but tech has always been kind of messy when it comes to who gets credit for what.[/quote]
Yet, it's still the epicenter and has always been the PC epicenter.
[quote]I noticed you conveniently left out Microsoft. I guess Redmond doesn't matter? lol
[/quote]
Weird, because I did not leave Microsoft out:
[quote]Windows OS: Redmond, Washington - OK, Not California
[/quote]
And I did not want to toot my own horn.
Not even close. Chromium OS includes the Portage package manager, part of the Gentoo Linux, but that's just the package manager, not the OS itself.
[quote]Just like basically every browser not Firefox is essentially Google's fork of Apple's Webkit which was used to build Safari. Claiming you can credit any one specific source for tech is messy business. I mean you could make the case all ARM based devises both Apple and Samsung and all the rest owe their existence to the UK government.[/quote]
You're slamming a bunch of terms together, but they still don't mean much.
A Browser is NOT the OS. In the case of Chromebook, the browser is the UI for the OS.
Even Microsoft Edge is now Chromium based.
[quote]Even AMD's GPUs are basically a rebrand of a Canadian company out of Markham, Ontario.[/quote]
馃ぃ AMD bought ATI 15 years ago, and absorbed it. You didn't seriously call the AMD GPUs a rebrand of the ATI graphics engine, did you? I guess if you own a 15 year old PC and there's been no graphics innovation since.
[quote]Sure Silicon Valley was a phenomenon but tech has always been kind of messy when it comes to who gets credit for what.[/quote]
Yet, it's still the epicenter and has always been the PC epicenter.
[quote]I noticed you conveniently left out Microsoft. I guess Redmond doesn't matter? lol
[/quote]
Weird, because I did not leave Microsoft out:
[quote]Windows OS: Redmond, Washington - OK, Not California
[/quote]
And I did not want to toot my own horn.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow 路 41-45, M
@Northwest And as usual you pick a fight just to pick a fight and make half assed responses just to be contrarian. Not unlike your buddy MarkPaul
Your first statement is a complete misrepresentation.
You apparently completely ignored the majority of my argument because you always ignore the parts you don't like and take bits without context to make childish comments that don't make sense if you leave them in context but predictable.
And I know AMD bought out ATI but the entire point of that was to basically leave it intact. The name on the sign doesn't really mean much. Surely you don't think ownership alone has magical properties?
Silicon Valley was the center of IT. But like most things in the US that is past tense. Nearly all of those companies only have executives in California. With perhaps the exception of Google very little is actually done there anymore. Hell Apple is even officially and Irish company for tax purposes. 馃槀
But we both know this is all about you like MarkPaul insisting on always been right about everything and attacking anyone who dares disagree with your highnessness.
Your first statement is a complete misrepresentation.
You apparently completely ignored the majority of my argument because you always ignore the parts you don't like and take bits without context to make childish comments that don't make sense if you leave them in context but predictable.
And I know AMD bought out ATI but the entire point of that was to basically leave it intact. The name on the sign doesn't really mean much. Surely you don't think ownership alone has magical properties?
Silicon Valley was the center of IT. But like most things in the US that is past tense. Nearly all of those companies only have executives in California. With perhaps the exception of Google very little is actually done there anymore. Hell Apple is even officially and Irish company for tax purposes. 馃槀
But we both know this is all about you like MarkPaul insisting on always been right about everything and attacking anyone who dares disagree with your highnessness.
Northwest 路 M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow [quote]And as usual you pick a fight just to pick a fight and make half assed responses just to be contrarian. Not unlike your buddy MarkPaul[/quote]
Yet, strangely enough, I provided full responses. You use a tone with me, you will get more of the same. A lesson you should know by now.
[quote]Your first statement is a complete misrepresentation.
[/quote]
I suggest you re-read it, you might learn something.
[quote]You apparently completely ignored the majority of my argument because you always ignore the parts you don't like and take bits without context to make childish comments that don't make sense if you leave them in context but predictable.[/quote]
Cool, let's try one more time:
[quote]By that logic calling Android and Chrome OS a product of google is a bit of a stretch since they are basically heavily modified versions of Gentoo Linux.
[/quote]
Not even close. Chromium OS includes the Portage package manager, part of the Gentoo Linux, but that's just the package manager, not the OS itself.
[quote]Just like basically every browser not Firefox is essentially Google's fork of Apple's Webkit which was used to build Safari. Claiming you can credit any one specific source for tech is messy business. I mean you could make the case all ARM based devises both Apple and Samsung and all the rest owe their existence to the UK government.[/quote]
You're slamming a bunch of terms together, but they still don't mean much. And you double down on it. WeebKit was an OopenSource projecet that Apple took over, and Google used with modifications. Then more than 8 years Google switched to its own implementation of WebKit.
Regardless, both Apple and Google are California companies. Most importantly, you're tackling a topic you're totally clueless about and you're mixing stuff up. Try to remain current. You don't even know what the context is, but the rebel without a clue that you are, insists on coming back for one more beating.
[quote]And I know AMD bought out ATI but the entire point of that was to basically leave it intact. The name on the sign doesn't really mean much. Surely you don't think ownership alone has magical properties?[/quote]
It certainly does not lend credence to your claim that the AMD GPU is basically a re-branded ATI chip. But the the trouble is that you're too clueless to recognize the idiocy of your statement.
[quote]Silicon Valley was the center of IT. But like most things in the US that is past tense. Nearly all of those companies only have executives in California. With perhaps the exception of Google very little is actually done there anymore. Hell Apple is even officially and Irish company for tax purposes. 馃槀[/quote]
Yet, everything points to the Silicon Valley being THE epicenter of technology innovation. Maybe you should have watched the Apple event today, it will help you recognize why every segment has a California backdrrop.
[quote]But we both know this is all about you like MarkPaul insisting on always been right about everything and attacking anyone who dares disagree with your highnessness.[/quote]
Back to Mark Paul. The guy must really be living rent free in your head. It's not about be being right, it's about you jumping at every opportunity to prove me wrong. You fail. Get used to it loser.
Yet, strangely enough, I provided full responses. You use a tone with me, you will get more of the same. A lesson you should know by now.
[quote]Your first statement is a complete misrepresentation.
[/quote]
I suggest you re-read it, you might learn something.
[quote]You apparently completely ignored the majority of my argument because you always ignore the parts you don't like and take bits without context to make childish comments that don't make sense if you leave them in context but predictable.[/quote]
Cool, let's try one more time:
[quote]By that logic calling Android and Chrome OS a product of google is a bit of a stretch since they are basically heavily modified versions of Gentoo Linux.
[/quote]
Not even close. Chromium OS includes the Portage package manager, part of the Gentoo Linux, but that's just the package manager, not the OS itself.
[quote]Just like basically every browser not Firefox is essentially Google's fork of Apple's Webkit which was used to build Safari. Claiming you can credit any one specific source for tech is messy business. I mean you could make the case all ARM based devises both Apple and Samsung and all the rest owe their existence to the UK government.[/quote]
You're slamming a bunch of terms together, but they still don't mean much. And you double down on it. WeebKit was an OopenSource projecet that Apple took over, and Google used with modifications. Then more than 8 years Google switched to its own implementation of WebKit.
Regardless, both Apple and Google are California companies. Most importantly, you're tackling a topic you're totally clueless about and you're mixing stuff up. Try to remain current. You don't even know what the context is, but the rebel without a clue that you are, insists on coming back for one more beating.
[quote]And I know AMD bought out ATI but the entire point of that was to basically leave it intact. The name on the sign doesn't really mean much. Surely you don't think ownership alone has magical properties?[/quote]
It certainly does not lend credence to your claim that the AMD GPU is basically a re-branded ATI chip. But the the trouble is that you're too clueless to recognize the idiocy of your statement.
[quote]Silicon Valley was the center of IT. But like most things in the US that is past tense. Nearly all of those companies only have executives in California. With perhaps the exception of Google very little is actually done there anymore. Hell Apple is even officially and Irish company for tax purposes. 馃槀[/quote]
Yet, everything points to the Silicon Valley being THE epicenter of technology innovation. Maybe you should have watched the Apple event today, it will help you recognize why every segment has a California backdrrop.
[quote]But we both know this is all about you like MarkPaul insisting on always been right about everything and attacking anyone who dares disagree with your highnessness.[/quote]
Back to Mark Paul. The guy must really be living rent free in your head. It's not about be being right, it's about you jumping at every opportunity to prove me wrong. You fail. Get used to it loser.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow 路 41-45, M
@Northwest So you just repeated yourself. You think saying the same thing over again somehow makes it more profound?
And just more American corporate PR which ignores the actual reality of the last 20 years.
I brought up MarkPaul because he is one of the other people here with a massive ego like you.
You both think you are experts on everything and get testy whenever anyone dares to disagree with you and throw insults. Very Trumpian.
And just more American corporate PR which ignores the actual reality of the last 20 years.
I brought up MarkPaul because he is one of the other people here with a massive ego like you.
You both think you are experts on everything and get testy whenever anyone dares to disagree with you and throw insults. Very Trumpian.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow 路 41-45, M
@Northwest I also find it kind of funny this little grudge of yours all started because I dared to call you out on your 90s neo liberal bullshit that was dated when Reality Bites was in theatres.
Northwest 路 M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow [quote]So you just repeated yourself. You think saying the same thing over again somehow makes it more profound?[/quote]
Perhaps you can read it again and absorb it.
[quote]And just more American corporate PR which ignores the actual reality of the last 20 years.
[/quote]
Bitter much?
[quote]I brought up MarkPaul because he is one of the other people here with a massive ego like you.
[/quote]
Ad hominem, got it.
[quote]You both think you are experts on everything and get testy whenever anyone dares to disagree with you and throw insults. Very Trumpian.
[/quote]
And more ad hominem.
[quote]I also find it kind of funny this little grudge of yours all started because I dared to call you out on your 90s neo liberal bullshit that was dated when Reality Bites was in theatres.[/quote]
Which clearly explains how you follow me around, trying to prove me wrong. Your pathology must be really interesting, but not for me.
Perhaps you can read it again and absorb it.
[quote]And just more American corporate PR which ignores the actual reality of the last 20 years.
[/quote]
Bitter much?
[quote]I brought up MarkPaul because he is one of the other people here with a massive ego like you.
[/quote]
Ad hominem, got it.
[quote]You both think you are experts on everything and get testy whenever anyone dares to disagree with you and throw insults. Very Trumpian.
[/quote]
And more ad hominem.
[quote]I also find it kind of funny this little grudge of yours all started because I dared to call you out on your 90s neo liberal bullshit that was dated when Reality Bites was in theatres.[/quote]
Which clearly explains how you follow me around, trying to prove me wrong. Your pathology must be really interesting, but not for me.
TheArbitrator 路 36-40, M
Northwest 路 M
@TheArbitrator turns out California is keeping its governor by a wide margin. A recall is not difficult to buy in the state. Quite a while back I posted a thread about the legality of a lawsuit against the recall sponsors.
Manufactured in is not the same as invented, designed, developed in.
Manufactured in is not the same as invented, designed, developed in.
ElwoodBlues 路 M
@Northwest [quote]Android OS: Google, Mountain View, California
Apple OSes: Apple, Cupertino, California
Chrome OS: Google, Mountain View, California
Windows OS: Redmond, Washington - OK, Not California[/quote]
Apple desktop OS and IOS are both built on the Mach kernel (*). And Mach is derived originally from 4.3BSD, meaning the Berkeley distribution of Unix. Sure, heavily modified, but the bloodlines are clear - there would be no Mach without Unix.
Android OS: directly built on the Linux kernel, a monolithic kernel Unix derivative.
Chrome OS: based on Gentoo Linux.
Windows 10: Based on Windows NT. Yes, Win NT is a new from-scratch OS written by Microsoft (NOT in California), originally developed on MIPS RISC architecture hardware for portability. However, the modern version has many Unix-like attributes; not the least of which is POSIX compliance.
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Footnote (*) The original classic Mac "Finder" MacOS was a from-scratch creation by Apple. However, the "Finder" couldn't do simple things like deal with virtual memory registers or service hardware clock interrupts to swap jobs for timesharing. That's why "Finder" code needed to be written 'cooperatively' meaning your program needed to regularly pause to hand off control to the OS so other jobs could run. And if your code got stuck in a loop? Power cycle or hardware reset was the only recourse.
Anyway, when Steve Jobs was fired from Apple and started NEXT and then was brought back to Apple, he brought in the NEXT OS, which was built on the Mach kernel noted above. And that was the end of the Classic MacOS "Finder" OS.
Apple OSes: Apple, Cupertino, California
Chrome OS: Google, Mountain View, California
Windows OS: Redmond, Washington - OK, Not California[/quote]
Apple desktop OS and IOS are both built on the Mach kernel (*). And Mach is derived originally from 4.3BSD, meaning the Berkeley distribution of Unix. Sure, heavily modified, but the bloodlines are clear - there would be no Mach without Unix.
Android OS: directly built on the Linux kernel, a monolithic kernel Unix derivative.
Chrome OS: based on Gentoo Linux.
Windows 10: Based on Windows NT. Yes, Win NT is a new from-scratch OS written by Microsoft (NOT in California), originally developed on MIPS RISC architecture hardware for portability. However, the modern version has many Unix-like attributes; not the least of which is POSIX compliance.
[sep]
Footnote (*) The original classic Mac "Finder" MacOS was a from-scratch creation by Apple. However, the "Finder" couldn't do simple things like deal with virtual memory registers or service hardware clock interrupts to swap jobs for timesharing. That's why "Finder" code needed to be written 'cooperatively' meaning your program needed to regularly pause to hand off control to the OS so other jobs could run. And if your code got stuck in a loop? Power cycle or hardware reset was the only recourse.
Anyway, when Steve Jobs was fired from Apple and started NEXT and then was brought back to Apple, he brought in the NEXT OS, which was built on the Mach kernel noted above. And that was the end of the Classic MacOS "Finder" OS.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow 路 41-45, M
@ElwoodBlues Haven't used it in years but OS X even used to have the BSD license come up during install.
Northwest 路 M
@ElwoodBlues [quote]Apple desktop OS and IOS are both built on the Mach kernel (*). And Mach is derived originally from 4.3BSD, meaning the Berkeley distribution of Unix. [b][i][u]Sure, heavily modified[/u][/i][/b], but the bloodlines are clear - there would be no Mach without Unix.[/quote]
In this space, developers learn from other efforts. Saying that there would be be Mach without Unix misses a lot of context. Which is why I said these comparisons are like comparing Fred Flintstone's car to a Lamborghini, or to a Ford, or to a Volvo, or to a Honda. They're all cars and they have the same basic systems.
[quote]Android OS: directly built on the Linux kernel, a monolithic kernel Unix derivative.[/quote]
And? This was entirely developed by Google.
[quote]Chrome OS: based on Gentoo Linux.[/quote]
Not really. It uses Portage package manager, part of the Gentoo Linux, but the OS is developed by Google.
[quote]Windows 10: Based on Windows NT. Yes, Win NT is a new from-scratch OS written by Microsoft (NOT in California), originally developed on MIPS RISC architecture hardware for portability. However, the modern version has many Unix-like attributes; not the least of which is POSIX compliance.[/quote]
I chuckle when people try to teach me about an OS I was a principal developer/architect on. It was meant to be CPU independent, but it was not originally developed on MIPS. MIPS was one of the parallel development platforms, but eventually dropped.
[quote]Footnote (*) The original classic Mac "Finder" MacOS was a from-scratch creation by Apple. However, the "Finder" couldn't do simple things like deal with virtual memory registers or service hardware clock interrupts to swap jobs for timesharing. That's why "Finder" code needed to be written 'cooperatively' meaning your program needed to regularly pause to hand off control to the OS so other jobs could run. And if your code got stuck in a loop? Power cycle or hardware reset was the only recourse.
[/quote]
OK< but not sure what this has to do with the discussion.
[quote]Anyway, when Steve Jobs was fired from Apple and started NEXT and then was brought back to Apple, he brought in the NEXT OS, which was built on the Mach kernel noted above. And that was the end of the Classic MacOS "Finder" OS.[/quote]
The NeXT OS team was led by Avie Tevanian who was the co-developer of the Mach OS along with Rick Rashid (who went to Microsoft). The NeXT OS was heavily influenced by Tevanian's previous work on the Mach, but in the same way a new car may resemble a new car, as new systems get developed. Tevanian folded his work into the Mac OS when Jobs re-joined Apple. A big chunk of technology came from a French team, and they moved to Apple as well. But, the releases were still done by Apple.
In this space, developers learn from other efforts. Saying that there would be be Mach without Unix misses a lot of context. Which is why I said these comparisons are like comparing Fred Flintstone's car to a Lamborghini, or to a Ford, or to a Volvo, or to a Honda. They're all cars and they have the same basic systems.
[quote]Android OS: directly built on the Linux kernel, a monolithic kernel Unix derivative.[/quote]
And? This was entirely developed by Google.
[quote]Chrome OS: based on Gentoo Linux.[/quote]
Not really. It uses Portage package manager, part of the Gentoo Linux, but the OS is developed by Google.
[quote]Windows 10: Based on Windows NT. Yes, Win NT is a new from-scratch OS written by Microsoft (NOT in California), originally developed on MIPS RISC architecture hardware for portability. However, the modern version has many Unix-like attributes; not the least of which is POSIX compliance.[/quote]
I chuckle when people try to teach me about an OS I was a principal developer/architect on. It was meant to be CPU independent, but it was not originally developed on MIPS. MIPS was one of the parallel development platforms, but eventually dropped.
[quote]Footnote (*) The original classic Mac "Finder" MacOS was a from-scratch creation by Apple. However, the "Finder" couldn't do simple things like deal with virtual memory registers or service hardware clock interrupts to swap jobs for timesharing. That's why "Finder" code needed to be written 'cooperatively' meaning your program needed to regularly pause to hand off control to the OS so other jobs could run. And if your code got stuck in a loop? Power cycle or hardware reset was the only recourse.
[/quote]
OK< but not sure what this has to do with the discussion.
[quote]Anyway, when Steve Jobs was fired from Apple and started NEXT and then was brought back to Apple, he brought in the NEXT OS, which was built on the Mach kernel noted above. And that was the end of the Classic MacOS "Finder" OS.[/quote]
The NeXT OS team was led by Avie Tevanian who was the co-developer of the Mach OS along with Rick Rashid (who went to Microsoft). The NeXT OS was heavily influenced by Tevanian's previous work on the Mach, but in the same way a new car may resemble a new car, as new systems get developed. Tevanian folded his work into the Mac OS when Jobs re-joined Apple. A big chunk of technology came from a French team, and they moved to Apple as well. But, the releases were still done by Apple.
Northwest 路 M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow [quote]Some pretty impressive irony there when immediately after that statement you give specific individual American companies sole credit for everything.[/quote]
It's really interesting how I am carrying a feud, when you keep following me around like a love sick puppy. Understand the context and deal with your obsession with me.
It's really interesting how I am carrying a feud, when you keep following me around like a love sick puppy. Understand the context and deal with your obsession with me.
ElwoodBlues 路 M
@Northwest [quote]In this space, developers learn from other efforts.[/quote] Win NT "learned from other efforts." In contrast, Android and Chrome OS both took highly evolved kernels with decades of work in them done all around the world, and pared away the parts they didn't need. That's why the source code is downloadable under GPL.
You forgot to mention Mach was developed in Pittsburgh. And the French team developed in Paris presumably.
By the same token Intel does half their designs in Israel. ARM is a British design; manufactured in Taiwan. your "hardware from California" claim is equally full of holes.
You forgot to mention Mach was developed in Pittsburgh. And the French team developed in Paris presumably.
By the same token Intel does half their designs in Israel. ARM is a British design; manufactured in Taiwan. your "hardware from California" claim is equally full of holes.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow 路 41-45, M
@Northwest If that makes you feel better. Speaks again to that massive ego you got there.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow 路 41-45, M
@ElwoodBlues Hardware from California has not been a thing for 20 years.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow 路 41-45, M
@Vivaci There are relevant parallels. A 90s neo liberal versus whatever Trump is now, but the same massive ego and arrogance are about the same. Ditto with Mark Paul.
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Northwest 路 M
@ElwoodBlues
[quote]Win NT "learned from other efforts." In contrast, Android and Chrome OS both took highly evolved kernels with decades of work in them done all around the world, and pared away the parts they didn't need. That's why the source code is downloadable under GPL.[/quote]
Not really.
The issue was that Microsoft wanted nothing to do with OpenSource, so it did not allow anyone to import a single line of OpenSource code. While the others sometime took parts of the OpenSource as is, and some heavily modified it. But it's no different than a couple of car companies buying cars from the same supplier.
[quote]You forgot to mention Mach was developed in Pittsburgh. And the French team developed in Paris presumably.
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Why would I mention that. Presumably you know, otherwise why would you mention Mach and NeXT. Both developers of Mach were teaching/dong post doc work at CMU. Then one of them went to California and the other went to Washington. This is why it says MacOS from Apple, where all the OS work is done.
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By the same token Intel does half their designs in Israel. ARM is a British design; manufactured in Taiwan. your "hardware from California" claim is equally full of holes.
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Intel has a design center in Israel, and I've been to it. So what? It's still a California company.
[quote]Win NT "learned from other efforts." In contrast, Android and Chrome OS both took highly evolved kernels with decades of work in them done all around the world, and pared away the parts they didn't need. That's why the source code is downloadable under GPL.[/quote]
Not really.
The issue was that Microsoft wanted nothing to do with OpenSource, so it did not allow anyone to import a single line of OpenSource code. While the others sometime took parts of the OpenSource as is, and some heavily modified it. But it's no different than a couple of car companies buying cars from the same supplier.
[quote]You forgot to mention Mach was developed in Pittsburgh. And the French team developed in Paris presumably.
[/quote]
Why would I mention that. Presumably you know, otherwise why would you mention Mach and NeXT. Both developers of Mach were teaching/dong post doc work at CMU. Then one of them went to California and the other went to Washington. This is why it says MacOS from Apple, where all the OS work is done.
[quote]
By the same token Intel does half their designs in Israel. ARM is a British design; manufactured in Taiwan. your "hardware from California" claim is equally full of holes.
[/quote]
Intel has a design center in Israel, and I've been to it. So what? It's still a California company.
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