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Longpatrol · 31-35, M Best Comment
Listen, in the UK, as in the US and here in Singapore, the release of the lockdown has nothing to do with the situation getting better and all to do with economy and business pressure.

My advice is keep your pre-opening hygiene procedures, we’re still at the peak of this contrary to what the moron sheep are doing.

Don’t be paranoid but still take care.
Nyloncapes · 61-69, M
@Longpatrol you are correct in what you say, I am in UK in London, and Boris has caved in to pressure , it is now 1 metre distancing , and now no quarantine for 14 days from a lot of destinations , these companies and buissnessess put so much pressure on him to change them, and that is what he did
SW-User
He doesn't care
SW-User
@FairyGirlGemma Too stupid to realise
@SW-User Yeah he isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer
KuroNeko · 41-45, F
@FairyGirlGemma hes had it now so hes ok 🤷‍♀️
LadyJ · F
Boris is a Dick! .. he locked down too late and cost thousands of lives and now hes easing it too early to cost even more lives this man is Hitler with a wig 🙄
@LadyJ They are all dangerously incompetent, arrogant and stupid IMO.
Ian123 · 61-69, M
@LadyJ Maybe 😀 but I would still rather have Boris in charge
JohnOinger · 41-45, M
@LadyJ too bad I wasn't born A British Citizen I could've of run for Prime Minister of Britian in the future LOL😂
MartinII · 70-79, M
There hasn’t been a second wave of of covid-19 anywhere. There have been some isolated outbreaks, some in places which would have been operating during a lockdown anyway. So far as the UK is concerned there is no evidence that the lockdown has avoided a single death - it might have done, we just don’t and can’t know. What we do know is that the near-closure of the healthcare system has CAUSED at least 10,000 unnecessary or premature deaths. In addition, the government has contributed substantially to the total of covid-19 deaths by forcibly removing ill and infected patients from hospitals to unprotected care homes.

I agree that Johnson has handled the matter badly, but not for the reasons you and many other commenters suggest.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@LadyJ There is no way we can know whether the lockdown helped or not, because there is no counterfactual. Some “experts” (actually, no-one is expert in covid-19, though knowledge is increasing) agree with you, others are very sceptical. The main governmental failings at the beginning were failure to close our borders, failure to have hospitals properly equipped and the discharge of vulnerable and infected patients into completely unprepared care homes.

I shall be extremely surprised if there is any general spike in the summer, though there will probably be isolated increases with specific causes. If there is to be a second wave, which I personally doubt, it is much more likely to be in autumn or early winter.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@MartinII Thank you for explaining it.

I don't know why the statistics for private hospitals (and home deaths?) were poorly or not represented. I agree they should have been.

What has emerged is that different countries have widely different ways of counting, for better or worse than each other. That must make comparisons really rather meaningless, and straight numbers are anyway unless you know the populations too. All this muddle cannot help the epidemiologists at all.

I don't know if you listen to the Radio Four programme [i]More Or Less[/i], which scrutinises published statistics from all manner of sources, but it has examined those relating to the pandemic.

One instance of misuse of numbers it highlighted, was that of Covid tests. It discovered the announced number of tests was really the number of test-kits sent out. It also found that the published numbers were further distorted by counting repeat tests - the ones scientifically right to make when the first attempt is inconclusive - as separate tests.

I suppose to be fair to the politicians and public-services of all parties and most countries, the world was taken aback by a desperately unfamiliar situation. Having said that though, epidemics and pandemics are historically fairly common so you'd think they'd have some sort of past experience to guide them.

The one thing we have to be grateful for is that Ebola, a haemorrhagic disease also originating in animals, had been contained, so had not escaped around the world as the Covid-19 species of the Corona virus is doing. A medical-lecturer friend told me the consequences of that would have been far, far worse.

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Dorset is not the only county to have suffered from the rampaging fools. I believe the Peak District and Yorkshire Dales have too.

I do hope things are easier in September, and you enjoy your visit here! I saw neighbours measuring their motor-caravan recently, planning to book a pitch on a site in Cornwall.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@ArishMell Yes, I had heard about the misrepresentation of the test figures. To save Mr Hancock’s bacon, I suppose.
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Nope. I've been looking into this and even more, nothing adds up.

It's a fear-mongering lottery scheme. Yeah. Maybe there are a few out of the many reported actually sick, like, 0.25%.
Moonpenny · F
@Amyrakunejo People aren't just statistics. They're loved ones who should never have died.
@Moonpenny I don't disagree.

I also don't disagree with the fact that making the numbers look worse than they actually are IS AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE TO THOSE THAT ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN AFFECTED. IT'S A SLAP IN THE FACE!!
Moonpenny · F
@Amyrakunejo Yes, I do agree with you there. It's highly disrespectful.
There are so many different ways of presenting the data, including time lapses, that globally there should be an agreement as to how to show the numbers a) so they can be understood in layman's terms and b) so that they're not skewed or misrepresented. Of course this won't happen because the data is being used as a political and economic tool.
SW-User
It is inevitable that the lockdown will be released and then restored in part or full to allow for economic activity in between, otherwise we're all fucked anyway.
Ian123 · 61-69, M
It hasn’t happened in Portsmouth, we haven’t had a virus death here for nearly three weeks so here’s hoping 😀
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Ian123 That's hopeful news!
Ian123 · 61-69, M
@ArishMell Must be the sea air 😀
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Ian123 Could be - but I live by the sea too, and we've had cases in this area.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
It's not a full release by any means, but it will have to be lifted at some time somehow and delaying it probably means only delaying the inevitable.

And has nowt to do with copulation; but does have a lot do with both business and cultural life, including the country's vast range of non-commercial cultural activities and organisations.
monkeysdevil007 · 46-50, M
@ArishMell You might catch it if you "copulated" with an infected person
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@monkeysdevil007 Indeed! At least I am at no risk from that particular hazard!
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
He's a tory, the British equivalent of a Republican. Money and power is all that matters.
Beautifullyderanged · 36-40, F
Because the economy is already struggling, we know what we need to do to keep safe. If we stay locked down much longer more people wont have jobs to go back to. Covid 19 is going to be around for a long time, like the flu is, how long do you think we should stay locked down for?
@Beautifullyderanged I know that, but if they cause a second wave, all the last lockdown and the damage it caused to the economy is for nothing.
Beautifullyderanged · 36-40, F
@FairyGirlGemma there was always going to be a second wave, look what is happening in China. There are too many people who didn't follow the first lockdown, even New Zealand couldnt stop it from being in their country again. The first lockdown saved people but it also showed that people arent going to follow rules, especially when the rules dont apply all the time, like the BLM protests etc.
bigboyshaun · 36-40, M
the guys a prick. end of
@bigboyshaun Prick is a good word for him, considering how much fo a shagger he is
bigboyshaun · 36-40, M
@FairyGirlGemma @FairyGirlGemma yep,thats very true.
KuroNeko · 41-45, F
Money, money and money
ABCDEF7 · M
Governments are also answerable on economic front, they can't stretch lockdown for very long. With lockdown they taught you what precautions to take to protect yourself, now it's your responsibility to behave sensibly.
If you think we should be on lockdown then I do hope that you’re practicing what you preach and are on lockdown quarantining yourself while the rest of us gets on with it.
@Gingerbreadspice While the rest of you get on with what, making passive-aggressive comments on the internet?
Moonpenny · F
Heaven knows. Just like he dragged his heels on going into lockdown in the first place.
He never learns....and the muppets are now at play 😔
@Moonpenny Exactly.
Well I wouldn’t say “everywhere”. But several places have, while others have not. It’s a very tricky virus it seems.
ninjavu · 51-55, M
Can't have the second wave until the first washes over you. 😏🤷‍♂️
monkeysdevil007 · 46-50, M
Because hardly anyone is taking a blind bit of notice of it anyway
Adstar · 56-60, M
Because economic reality prevents a never ending lock down.. people have to go out and grow food process it and earn their living.. Nations can do lock downs for a time.. But sooner or later you got to come out of that bunker and work to survive..
SW-User
Because it’s alllll part of a big plan
You really think the people in power want what’s best for us?
SW-User
@MrBrownstone all the tactics being used to divide the US are the same that the CIA used in Iraq to destroy their government and institute a government that would “play nice” with their own.
Gotta step outside the “us vs them” tactics and take a look... see what’s really happening. It’s all a facade, none of this bs matters...

War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@SW-User You familiar with Agenda 21?
SW-User
Ah, the bit about globalization of energy?@MrBrownstone
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
No one is forcing you to leave your home.
Justenjoyit · 56-60, M
Money is more important sorry to say but thats reality.
Justenjoyit · 56-60, M
Well money talks covid-19 walks lol

 
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