You want to get rid of statues. What next ? any books or anything relevant written by those people too ?

@InOtterWords You don’t really support the removal of those statues, do you?

@Carver of slave traders? Absolutely.

@InOtterWords That’s a shame. I respectfully disagree. I think it’s important to keep such memorials up. Not to glorify slave owners, but to remind ourselves of how far we’ve come as a civilization. But that’s all I will say. 🙂

@Carver here in liverpool there is a museum on the slave trade,such memorials have been placed there as part of the important dialogue. But these statues have no place in the centre of a city.
As a society we have not come far enough.

@Carver [quote] Not to glorify slave owners, but to remind ourselves of how far we’ve come as a civilization[/quote] So very true

@Carver how far have we gone in your opinion ?

@InOtterWords So you support Bold Street being renamed too?

@revenant Well, we’ve long surpassed slavery and oppression of people of color. Sure we still have some flaws about our society and and how minorities are treated, but it goes without saying that things are much better than how they were before.

@Carver of course ! but you would think that blacks are still losing their limbs for just appropriating a candy bar in 2020.

@ArtieKat they are exploring several options, one of them renaming a number of the streets in Liverpool and Bristol, another being plaques explaining the history.

Penny Lane is one of those but that now is more famous because of the Beatles song.


@Carver people of colour are still being oppressed.

@revenant actually blacks are being killed for playing violin to kittens and over $20 notes

@InOtterWords To a point, certainly.

@Carver can you clarify what you mean by to a point?

@InOtterWords That’s self-explanatory, but there’s still some systematic oppression here, unfortunately.

@Carver not just systematic though, there are massive racial divides still in the usa and the uk. You can just take a quick look at social media and the vile that trips out of peoples mouths.

@InOtterWords Social media is no measure of how a general populace feels. There are so many people out there who don’t use any social media, they’re called the “silent majority”. I should know, I’m one of them. Just because there are a large amount of racist assholes on Facebook or Twitter doesn’t mean it’s any reflection of how a whole society feels. Don’t you see how flawed and ridiculous that perspective is?

@Carver I can talk to you of my own experiences if you like, I have faced racism all my life. I have been physically assaulted, verbally abused, I have been in business meetings and heard racist terms used by managers, I have been excluded because of my race, I have been included to make up diversity numbers, I have seen colleagues tell me that they didn't hire a POC because their face didn't fit, my parents had bricks thrown through their windows, my brother was beaten for dating a white girl, I have had eggs thrown at me.... so no, i do not think that there is racism to a point, I can give you thousands of examples of racism just from me, my family and friends.....so when I see it on social media I do believe it is a measure of how people feel.

@InOtterWords I’m very sorry you experienced that and I’m sorry you feel that way about people in general. But take a look at it this way if you will: the world population is about 7.6 billion people, while Facebook has 2.6 billion users. A large number of people, yes. But it’s dwarfed by the amount of actual people around the world. Using what people say on Facebook as a measure of how people in general feel is like taking the vocal minority of Muslims who are in favor of violence and using it to condemn all Muslims as being violent. I’m not trying to change your mind on this, all I’m doing is offering you some perspective that I hope you’ll at least understand even if it doesn’t sway your beliefs.

@Carver

When you yourself are living as a minority group, the voice of the racists are louder than yours.

@Carver statistically speaking, that is a huge representative sample. Even adjusting for selection bias, the perspectives expressed on Facebook mirror what the world thinks about social issues.

@InOtterWords That may be, but I feel the logic still stands. Maybe it’s best if we just agree to disagree on this. I thank you for discussing this with me by the by. I’m sorry again is racism is still something you experience to this day.

@JoeyFoxx If you really believe that, would you say the same about Muslims? 72% of Muslims do not support violence. That leaves 28% of Muslims who do support violence, so according to your logic, that still reflects what all Muslims think on that matter so that should still count for something, right?

@Carver your math doesn’t follow...

To be clear, I’m not convinced that you know how statistics works

@JoeyFoxx *28, but that was a typo. The keys are right next to each other, lmao. But way to grasp at straw with a slight oversight to avoid addressing what I said. 😉

And you’re free to look up these statistics for yourself, but I think it’s clear you’ll say anything to avoid admitting your flaws. But that’s okay. You’re not the only one.

@Carver that’s not the math I was talking about.

2.6 billion people on Facebook is a huge sample: 28% is enormous.

She never said that all people on Facebook are racists. She said she sees a lot of it.

So let’s say that 20% of the folks that she encounters on Facebook demonstrate racist tendencies and say horrible things.

That would suggest that close to 20% of the world population has these same views.

That’s a huge chunk.

@JoeyFoxx The absolute percentage is beside the point! The point is it’s a small margin compared to the vast majority. But this is where I said about you saying anything to avoid admitting your flaws comes into play, lol. It doesn’t matter how much one sees whether it’s a lot or not, it’s still not any reflection of what the vast majority of how people feel because it’s only a minority that are being accounted for.

Yes, 2.6 billion is a large amount of people, but just answer me this and please try to do so without deflecting or beating around the bush: would you apply the same logic to Muslims who are in favor of violence? It’s a minority of Muslims who support violence, yes. But considering Muslims make up roughly 24.1% of the world population, that’s still a fairly huge amount of people too. According to your logic, it’s still a large amount so it should still count for something, so do you feel the same way about Muslims? Yes or no?