They're calling the Alanta shooting Murder.
What would they call it if he got the cops gun instead, and killed the cop 🤔
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Tracos · 51-55, M
what if he had a hand grenade?
what if he had a bazooka?
what if he had a nuclear warhead?
what if he made made lightning strike?
'what if' is completely irrelevant... what really happened is relevant...
and what happened is a tragedy, regardless of what is called. lives are ruined.
what if he had a bazooka?
what if he had a nuclear warhead?
what if he made made lightning strike?
'what if' is completely irrelevant... what really happened is relevant...
and what happened is a tragedy, regardless of what is called. lives are ruined.
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BlueVeins · 22-25
@SW-User No, I don't have money to donate and I'm not walking 60 odd miles to a protest, sue me. I spend my free time learning about other cultures and I've been active in championing police reform on social media. Which I get is less of a gesture, but that's where I'm at in life.
Miram · 31-35, F
@BlueVeins [quote]Do I have to explain to you what a less-lethal weapon is again? [/quote]
Do I have to explain to you it is not considered a DEADLY weapon again? Not to mention that you'd need to prove the suspect had an intention to injure other people.
The law doesn't work with what ifs, what if he went and hurt people, what if he did that or this.. what if the taser kill the police?
Instead what proof was there that this was anything more than resisting arrest and fleeting.
All there is "he pointed the taser".
The law is based on accurate definitions and a clear-cut process.
It is circular, we are back at the same argument, what if. And I can see you are getting agitated and offended.
To me it is immoral to shoot someone running away who has a taser while I can do otherwise.
I already expressed my opinion good luck 👋
Do I have to explain to you it is not considered a DEADLY weapon again? Not to mention that you'd need to prove the suspect had an intention to injure other people.
The law doesn't work with what ifs, what if he went and hurt people, what if he did that or this.. what if the taser kill the police?
Instead what proof was there that this was anything more than resisting arrest and fleeting.
All there is "he pointed the taser".
The law is based on accurate definitions and a clear-cut process.
It is circular, we are back at the same argument, what if. And I can see you are getting agitated and offended.
To me it is immoral to shoot someone running away who has a taser while I can do otherwise.
I already expressed my opinion good luck 👋
BlueVeins · 22-25
@Miram [quote]Do I have to explain to you it is not considered a DEADLY weapon again?[/quote]
'Deadly' means capable of killing. 'Weapon' is a tool designed to defeat or kill. A taser can kill people, and it's designed to defeat attackers. Therefore, a taser is still a deadly weapon.
[quote]Not to mention that you'd need to prove the suspect had an intention to injure other people.[/quote]
How is pointing a taser at someone not evidence of intent to injure?
[quote]The law doesn't work with what ifs, what if he went and hurt people, what if he did that or this.. what if the taser kill the police?[/quote]
Yes it does, that's the entire premise of self defense itself. It's OK to shoot someone who's trying to stab/shoot you because of the hypothetical harm that being shot or stabbed would cause.
[quote]To me it is immoral to shoot someone running away who has a taser while I can do otherwise.[/quote]
You're entitled to that opinion, I'm just pointing out that it's kind of a ridiculous and objectionable thing to say is all.
'Deadly' means capable of killing. 'Weapon' is a tool designed to defeat or kill. A taser can kill people, and it's designed to defeat attackers. Therefore, a taser is still a deadly weapon.
[quote]Not to mention that you'd need to prove the suspect had an intention to injure other people.[/quote]
How is pointing a taser at someone not evidence of intent to injure?
[quote]The law doesn't work with what ifs, what if he went and hurt people, what if he did that or this.. what if the taser kill the police?[/quote]
Yes it does, that's the entire premise of self defense itself. It's OK to shoot someone who's trying to stab/shoot you because of the hypothetical harm that being shot or stabbed would cause.
[quote]To me it is immoral to shoot someone running away who has a taser while I can do otherwise.[/quote]
You're entitled to that opinion, I'm just pointing out that it's kind of a ridiculous and objectionable thing to say is all.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
AbbeyRhode · F
Northwest · M
Northwest · M
@BlueVeins [quote]fun feature of the human body -- it doesn't all have to be turned the same way at once[/quote]
So, what you're saying, is that he's disjointed, and can point a taser gun, with limited range, and he can point accurately backward, to the point where he represents a deadly danger to the cops?
You know the part about the brain? It doesn't seem as if yours is functional.
So, what you're saying, is that he's disjointed, and can point a taser gun, with limited range, and he can point accurately backward, to the point where he represents a deadly danger to the cops?
You know the part about the brain? It doesn't seem as if yours is functional.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
They would call it murder... except, in reality, he didn't get the gun from the careless cop. Instead, he was running away. The cops had the guy's car so they could easily find out where he lived (there is this thing called a license plate). And, the guy's actual "crime...?" He was sleeping in a parked car.
What would they call it if he was drunk, driving (instead of being parked), and he plowed into a car with innocent occupants?
The core problem is there is a disregard for life and society has given police "too much" authority. Some things, even if they are wrong (like sleeping "it off" in a parked car on commercial property) don't meet the reasonability test for one human taking the life of another no matter what kind of uniforms each are wearing.
What would they call it if he was drunk, driving (instead of being parked), and he plowed into a car with innocent occupants?
The core problem is there is a disregard for life and society has given police "too much" authority. Some things, even if they are wrong (like sleeping "it off" in a parked car on commercial property) don't meet the reasonability test for one human taking the life of another no matter what kind of uniforms each are wearing.
FairyGirlGemma · F
Surely murder implies planning or intent, rather than manslaughter which doesn't.
In this case the guy was violent, had been trying to (or did) get the cop's Taser and was a threat. It's not like the cops opened fire on a Gospel choir.
I thought it was Europe that went mad when a cop killed someone, not the US.
In this case the guy was violent, had been trying to (or did) get the cop's Taser and was a threat. It's not like the cops opened fire on a Gospel choir.
I thought it was Europe that went mad when a cop killed someone, not the US.
SW-User
There are degrees in murder.@FairyGirlGemma
SW-User
That would be different now wouldn’t it...
All the cops had to do was call someone to come and pick him up.. he was doing the right thing to try and sleep it off..
..he failed a sobriety test..not for driving..
For sleeping.
They had no reason to chase..instead they killed a man, running away from them.
That’s murder..
All the cops had to do was call someone to come and pick him up.. he was doing the right thing to try and sleep it off..
..he failed a sobriety test..not for driving..
For sleeping.
They had no reason to chase..instead they killed a man, running away from them.
That’s murder..
Eternity · 26-30, M
No because the cop signed up for that. Agreed to the risk.
Eternity · 26-30, M
@Budwick yes they are.
Anyone who makes a job out of disrupting people's desires is going to be a target.
If you were eating and someone unexpectedly began to drag your plate away as you ate would your instinct not be to lash out? Even if only for an instant? Its human nature.
The answer is for cops to minimize when they decide to do so. Some dude sleeping in his damn car? Really? Is that really worth risking your life?
That cop decided that yes, it was. And if he would have got his dumb ass shot or tasered then, well, play stupid games win stupid prizes.
I cannot feel sorry for people who willingly choose to put themselves in stupid ass situations and then cry "I was ah-scared!" when they end up killing unarmed people due to their cowardice.
If you're scared then GO HOME. We dont need pussies policing us.
Anyone who makes a job out of disrupting people's desires is going to be a target.
If you were eating and someone unexpectedly began to drag your plate away as you ate would your instinct not be to lash out? Even if only for an instant? Its human nature.
The answer is for cops to minimize when they decide to do so. Some dude sleeping in his damn car? Really? Is that really worth risking your life?
That cop decided that yes, it was. And if he would have got his dumb ass shot or tasered then, well, play stupid games win stupid prizes.
I cannot feel sorry for people who willingly choose to put themselves in stupid ass situations and then cry "I was ah-scared!" when they end up killing unarmed people due to their cowardice.
If you're scared then GO HOME. We dont need pussies policing us.
vorian · 51-55, M
That would also be murder. But he didn't. That's that cleared up for you.
ImperialAerosolKidFromEP · 46-50, M
You mean shot the cops in the back?