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Why are christians so desperate to deny those who became Atheists were ever christians? [Spirituality & Religion]

I used to be a devout christian but, after seriously studying the bible and examining my faith, determined it was all BS. I found the bible to be nothing more than a jumble of myths and superstitions taken from various older belief systems and frequently contradictory. As a result of my studies, I became an Atheist.

Now I find some christians are desperate to deny I was ever a christian. They just can't accept the fact that a christian could ever break away from "the truth" (as they like to call their beliefs) to become an Atheist. The idea is so alien to them they deny it's even possible. They even claim to know what the person experienced better than that person knows. Another claim is that I couldn't have studied the bible "properly" and that I should ask (their) "god" for help. What are they so scared of?

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ExperienceDLT · M

They are scared of the possibility that they could all be wrong

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hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@ExperienceDLT If I as a Christian am wrong what have I to fear? Nothingness? What has an atheist to fear if he is wrong? Eternity in hell. Hmmmm.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@ExperienceDLT [quote]They are scared of the possibility that they could all be wrong[/quote]

Nope. Because it's not the truth.

ExperienceDLT · M

@hippyjoe1955 I see your point I'm not taking sides either way my point was that in my opinion how can anyone no matter what religion you believe in how can anyone truly know which is "right" which is "wrong" which is true or untrue they are words written in books things could be true but also things could have been added throughout years of being re-written that are not true who really knows

ExperienceDLT · M

@GodSpeed63 well like I said how would any of us really know? We were not around when the bible was first written how can we know if everything in it is true or not that's why religion is based on faith

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@ExperienceDLT Each religion has its own marks. You concept of good and evil is based on Christianity not islam of secular humanism or buddhism or taoism or hinduism etc etc etc.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@ExperienceDLT [quote]well like I said how would any of us really know? We were not around when the bible was first written how can we know if everything in it is true or not that's why religion is based on faith.[/quote]

Jesus said in the third chapter of John that we must be born again in order to see the kingdom of God. You've had a physical birth, now you need a spiritual birth in order to know God personally. Man's religion has nothing to do with you becoming born again. Religion can't save you but a personal relationship with God can save you through Jesus Christ by His Holy Spirit.

suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@hippyjoe1955 [quote]If I as a Christian am wrong what have I to fear? Nothingness? What has an atheist to fear if he is wrong? Eternity in hell. Hmmmm.[/quote]
That's a binary view, the sort of limited thinking (or what passes for thinking) so typical of christians. You're presuming either your, specific, god exists or none of them do.

What if you're wrong? What will you do when you get to the doors of Valhalla and find a very pissed off Odin denying you entry or demanding to know why you spent your life worshiping a false god? Or suppose you find yourself on the Barge of the Dead, bound for Gre'thor, because Kahless the Unforgettable denies you entry to Sto'Vo'Kor?

As an Atheist, at least I won't have wasted my life and really pissed them off by worshiping a false god.

Harriet03 · 41-45, F

@ExperienceDLT you can't be scared of something, that doesn't exist!!
Only children, not adults.

suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@Harriet03 Children often have imaginary friends and believe in mythical beings too.

Harriet03 · 41-45, F

@suzie1960 But, but Santa's real!!

suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@Harriet03 Of course Santa is, I've seen Him several times. 🎅 So is the Tooth Fairy. Who else would give you money for rotten old teeth?

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@suzie1960 The only people believing in fairy tales are the flat earth evolutionists. Here is one small tidbit to ponder. When a cell divides it needs to make 4000 different proteins to do so. The proteins are special proteins and only used during the division process. So the cell is doing its thing and then realizes it needs to make a new cell. Suddenly with no outside help it begins to manufacture 4000 new proteins, subdivides then stops making those 4000 proteins. Where did the information come from for that cell to do that? These are not simple proteins and a slightly wrong shape or wrong formula results in death not subdivision. That's not believing in Santa that is fact. So where did that information come from?

suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@hippyjoe1955 [quote] So where did that information come from?[/quote]
I don't know, perhaps someone else can answer that. Let's just pretend it came from some mythical being, call it "god". We're still left with having to explain where "god" got the information from.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@suzie1960 So did it evolve? Where does information come from? Does it just happen by accident?

basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M

@hippyjoe1955 cells usually divide due to telomeres, it uses the enzyme telomerase to keep the caps on telomeres.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@basilfawlty89 You avoided the obvious. Where did the information come from?

suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@hippyjoe1955 [quote]So did it evolve?[/quote]

That seems to be the most likely explanation, taking [b]everything[/b] into account.

[quote]Where does information come from? [/quote]

As I said, I don't know. Perhaps someone else can answer that.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@suzie1960 Evolution takes nothing like it into account. There is no information in evolution. Evolution is just blind chance and circumstance. Neither of which are adequate to explain what we observe.

basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M

@hippyjoe1955 dna and rna processes that are coded in the system. We can manipulate such processes. For example telomerase injected increased the the telomere count.

If you mean where does information itself cone from on a conscious level, I could point to this article:

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170215-the-strange-link-between-the-human-mind-and-quantum-physics

suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@basilfawlty89 Thanks for that. I'm a physicist, not a cytologist nor, even, a biologist.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@suzie1960 You are a high school drop out. You never went to college.

basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M

@suzie1960 no am I. But a hope and passion for me is that human beings and pets achieve negligible senesence. It's a fascinating subject and I'd recommend Aubrey de Grey's book on it.

suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@hippyjoe1955 [quote]Evolution takes nothing like it into account.[/quote]
It doesn't need too, it simply occurs.

[quote]Neither of which are adequate to explain what we observe.[/quote]
The Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection is the best explanation for the observed facts.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@suzie1960 Wow you are mentally deficient. According to you we should see chocolate cakes lying on the ground because they 'just occur'. The theory of evolution is so bad it has to use lies to fool ignorant people like you into believing in it. Ever hear the the peppered moth?

suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@hippyjoe1955 [quote] You are a high school drop out. You never went to college.[/quote]
You're half right. I never went to a high school, I went to a comprehensive school, stayed on for 6th form then straight to University to read physics. After graduating I did a masters.

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