So where do we stand on the group of people traveling north to America ?

@BlueMetalChick Not the case at all. Each country makes its own way and its own corruption is theirs to own. The US is not that powerful or great an influence.

@hippyjoe1955 So when a foreign power invades and assassinates their president and then puts an oppressive dictator into power, it's THEIR fault, not the fault of the outside power.

So if the Russians infiltrated America, killed Donald Trump, and replaced him with some nutcase who decided to rip up the US Constitution and plunge the nation into tyrannical authoritarianism, that would be the Americans' fault, and the Russians aren't to blame.

Got it. Great logic, thanks.

@BlueMetalChick Nice try now explain JFK's assassination and how the US descended into utter chaos as a result.

@hippyjoe1955 No, not "nice try." You didn't try to dispute what I said.

Was JFK assassinated by a foreign power?

That's what I thought.

@BlueMetalChick Some people think the Cubans hired the mafia. We don't really know since the killers were all killed before they could testify.

@gregloa
Well we had a democratic president for eight years and he didn't "rip up the US Constitution." He did violate many constitutional laws though, but I'd bet money you couldn't name a single one.

And we have a republican president now who is also violating all the same constitutional laws that the democratic president did. Again though, I'm confident to wager money on you having no idea what any of those laws are.

Now, name a single democratic politician who wants to "open the borders." Just one. Just one measly politician who wants open borders. Go ahead, I'll wait.
'And when has any senator, representative, or elected official advocated for doing that? I'm gonna go ahead and say "never." You just made that shit right now.

I'll repeat myself, who the fuck wants open borders? The only people on the scene who want that is maybe a handful of hardcore ass libertarians.

@hippyjoe1955 The Cubans hired the mafia to assassinate Kennedy. Well that would definitely be a fun conspiracy. It's not impossible but I'd need a lot of compelling evidence because that's a pretty fat statement.

@BlueMetalChick I never said I believed it. I simply said it is one of many theories out there that are virtually impossible to prove since the killers were all killed before they could testify. Anything you or I say about it simply shows our ignorance. The fact is that countries change leaders and so they should. That, however does not mean that all change is good. Here in Canada we had a Prime Minister that kept Canada from going into a recession when the housing bubble collapsed in the US. Now we have a different Prime Minister who it would seem is doing his best to put Canada into a recession. The people voted for him since he promised legalized dope. The US interfered thanks to Obama but the people made the ultimate choice.

@hippyjoe1955 Well your current prime minister is doing everything he can to prevent right-to-work laws from becoming the norm in Canada so you can thank him next time you get a paycheck that isn't pathetically small. And he told the Saudis to fuck off, which is something the entire Western world needs to do.

Granted, those are really the only two things I know about Trudeau so it's entirely possible he's doing other things that I would disapprove of.

Question for you, do you recognize the name Irv Weiner?

@BlueMetalChick Our current Prime Minister is doing no such thing. He is however helping everyone not work by keeping people from pursuing their own interests. He just spent 14 billion dollars on a pipeline he will never build and he will prevent anyone else from building. His decision has cost Canada 10 million dollars a day since the only export market is the US which doesn't want Canadian oil. Canada is selling oil valued at 60 dollars a barrel for 20 dollars a barrel.

@hippyjoe1955 Good to know you don't pay attention to your own politics. Trudeau's organized an entire panel of Canadian negotiators who are pestering America to abolish their right-to-work laws so that corporations will stop leaving Canada to set up in the US instead, where they can make better profits by treating their workers like utter shit, underpaying them and refusing to give them good health insurance. So like I said before, you can thank him for not trying to copy your not-so-friendly neighbors to the south by allowing big companies to abuse their workers just to encourage them to stay in the country.

Pursuing their own interests? What, is he banning certain fields of work? I don't think so.

What pipeline is that? And why is it not going to be built? Is it an environmental concern, is it too expensive, is it an ownership issue...what could be the motive behind such a decision? Cos without that piece, it doesn't add up.

@BlueMetalChick https://www.breitbart.com/midterm-election/2018/10/17/nancy-pelosi-details-democrats-plan-for-open-borders-i-dont-see-any-of-us-voting-for-wall-funding/

@gregloa And? "Abolish ICE" is NOT synonymous with "open borders." ICE is an extraneous organization created during the Bush administration. There's already two other institutions, firstly customs and secondly US border patrol, that is responsible for preventing illegal immigration. ICE is unnecessary. They soak up tax money and do pretty much nothing of any use. And furthermore, courts have ruled that there's reason to investigate human rights abuses committed by ICE. So yes, abolish ICE, and that does not mean open borders.

No, no it fucking doesn't, you charlatan, that's a bald-faced lie and you know it. If you abolish ICE you still have US border patrol AND customs.

@Silverwings So Nancy Pelosi, who is a despicable person by the way and I hate her, says she opposes the "wall" and you equate that with "open borders."

So any country that doesn't have walls around it is "open." Alright then.

By the way, if you want people to take you seriously, don't link Breitbart articles. That's as bad as using CNN.

@BlueMetalChick We have never had right to work here which has hurt our economy no end. Sorry to disillusion you. Not to mention which such labour laws Trudeau has no control over here in Canada anyways. Labour is a provincial not a federal jurisdiction. All that nonsense aside his policies are driving work out of Canada with with mainly union jobs disappearing at a rapid rate. The boy is not very bright and has some very very nasty people behind him. The sooner he is gone the better off Canada and the world will be.

@hippyjoe1955 Oh what a horrible thing, that you have to pay your workers more. How oppressive to give workers an appropriate paycheck for their job, what tyranny.

You're not "disillusioning" me. You're just reinforcing what I already know about you, in that you vehemently oppose anything that improves people's lives.

But you hate union jobs because they ensure better pay and you just said you want right-to-work laws, which destroy unions and pay workers less, and give them shitty health insurance.

Does "better off" mean you want a different prime minister who will encourage wage slavery and abusing workers' rights? Do you want Elon Musk for prime minister so you're forced to work two full time jobs just to keep yourself alive? That's what we have here in the United States and you think that's just fucking dandy, don't you? You loooooove the idea of underpaying workers and denying them health insurance and education, and allowing the infrastructure to crumble in the process.

@BlueMetalChick What a terrible thing that a hard worker can't earn any more money for his/her hard work than some indolent slob that can't be fired because he/she is in the union.

@hippyjoe1955 What the hell are you talking about? Since when is that even relevant? Do you even know what right-to-work laws are? It has nothing to do with hard workers getting paid more than lazy people. It's a statute that allows the owner of a business to underpay workers intentionally by setting their own minimum wage.

@BlueMetalChick I have two people working for me. One shows up early and is much more productive than the one who is always late and does only about 1/2 the work the hard worker does.They make $40.00 per hour as agreed to by the union they are both members of. I can not give the hard worker a $10.00 per hour without giving the slacker a $10.00 raise. I can not fire the slacker without facing the wrath of the union. So union is ultimately unfair to both. The slacker would be far better off finding other employment and the hard worker should really get a raise. I know inexperienced people like you don't understand that but that is your problem not mine. I am stuck with a slacker that can not be fired and a hard worker I can not reward.

@hippyjoe1955 You're an idiot for not firing the second guy. Why do you keep this person employed? Are you obligated to? Is it a family member? Someone you owe a debt to? Do they have some special skill that's so rare that they've become irreplaceable? Any person I know would immediately terminate the slacker's employment and just hire someone else.

@BlueMetalChick You don't understand unions do you. If I fire the slob the entire work force walks out in protest.

@hippyjoe1955 Why would the work force walk out in protest? You don't protest your employer because they fired someone for not doing their job. You protest for things like unfair wages or lack of safety regulations. Like that thing with Home Depot in 2016. The guy severely broke his hand while on the job because Home Depot decided to save money by using a forklift that had a malfunctioning part. But instead of paying workers' compensation to the guy, they just fired him, so everyone walked out.

@BlueMetalChick Been done. Also have you ever had to fight a union grievance based on dismissing someone? It can tie up a small company for years.