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Do you want me to see you as my equal or as a woman

It is very hard to respect a person who on one day wishes to be looked at as my equal. On the next day when things are difficult she wishes to be looked upon and treated like a woman. This is very complicated but it is making men like myself very reluctant and uneasy around female counterparts.

Also I saw a news story where a woman slapped a man and spit on him while he was eating. The man stood up and punched her one time he broke her jaw. Everyone is angry at the man they say he has abused a woman. Unfortunately in the world that I live in if a man slapped another man and spit on him he would expect to get punched. This once again brings up the question do you want us to look at you as ladies or do you want us to look at you as equals?

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DecafD

Equal does not mean that women can be handled the same way a man can. The physiological differences btw the sexes demonstrate just that. She shouldn’t have spit on that man- who does that!?! People should be treated equally, but there will be considerations made to be sensitive to someone’s race, religion, sex and sexuality. Everyone is different, but should be treated equally. Equal means civil, political and social equality that allows women to have the same status, rights and opportunities as men.

Maybe on those hard days she was really asking for you to be more sensitive to your differences because she’s a woman and doesn’t know some of the things you know or do some of the things you can do. Maybe some dude made her feel unequal and she wants you to listen as her partner and not just her equal. Does not make her unequal in her status as a human, just makes her different. If we make the meaning of equal literal, then she would be treating you like a woman so we know that’s not right.

NortiusMaximus · M

@DecafD

women to have the same status, rights and opportunities as men.

Same, not superior. If a man attacks another man, the victim has the right to defend himself. The same applies when the attacker happens to be female. In the case mentioned in the OP's post, nothing was said about the relative sizes of the man and woman involved. For all we know, she might have been bigger and stronger than he.

DecafD

@NortiusMaximus correct, I never said superior. If the punch was deemed as true self defense bc who knows how hard that slap was and if she was coming at him again, then I don’t generalize him as soumeone who just beats on women bc clearly it’s self defense. “Opportunities” mentioned above also does not refer to the opportunity to slap the shit out of someone lol. It also doesn’t mean that if it really was a spit that it deserved such a hard punch. That could be excessive force. Same status means social standing not the same level of beating someone. Again there had to be sensitivity towards people’s differences. Women aren’t built like men. Had she been a grown man would her jaw have broken so easily?

NortiusMaximus · M

@DecafD

Women aren’t built like men. Had she been a grown man would her jaw have broken so easily

Some women are stronger than some men and could easily kill a man with their bare hand. Presuming a woman is necessarily weaker, is just sexism.

NortiusMaximus · M

@NortiusMaximus Is this woman really weaker than the average man?

She is only a woman after all.

DecafD

@NortiusMaximus I don’t necessarily think it’s sexist to factually state that there are physiological differences between a woman and a man. Yes, some women may be able to take a punch, but not all. I also don’t understand why your looking for fault when I already agreed with you that I don’t consider that man to be viewed that way bc of a single incident.

DecafD

@NortiusMaximus Lol yes, bc all women look like this.

NortiusMaximus · M

@DecafD

it’s sexist to factually state that there are physiological differences between a woman and a man

It is when the only criterion is a person's sex and more relevant factors are ignored.

I also don’t understand why your looking for fault

I'm not, I was just giving an example in support of what I said.

NortiusMaximus · M

@DecafD

all women look like this.

It just shows that a person's sex, per se, is irrelevant.

DecafD

@NortiusMaximus Lol I was being sarcastic

DecafD

@NortiusMaximus equality doesn’t not refer to level of violence. What are you really trying to figure out with this post?

NortiusMaximus · M

@DecafD I know but you missed the whole point. :(

DecafD

@NortiusMaximus what? That if quality doesn’t equal violence then why did that dude get judged like that?

NortiusMaximus · M

@DecafD

What are you really trying to figure out with this post?

Equality means ignoring irrelevant factors. I'm trying to understand how anyone can think it's possible to treat a person equally and unequally simultaneously.

NortiusMaximus · M

@NortiusMaximus It seems to me the victim in the OP's post was judged harshly because he dared defend himself against a woman. If his attacker had been a man of the same build, nobody would have criticized him.

DecafD

@NortiusMaximus Prohibiting someone from getting hired bc of her sex is an infringement on her equal rights. Beating someone the same way the beat you...doesn’t have anything to do with equal rights....you’re both just guilty of assault. Then this would carry on the the definition of assault and how that relates to the incident you described. These are 2 different things

DecafD

@NortiusMaximus Just because judgy folks have something to say doesn’t mean what he did was wrong nor infringed on her equal rights. It’s just hearsay. You’re not supposed to hit women that are just being women...however....if a woman comes at you and you feel threatened by her physically, then you have the right to defend yourself. Self defense is different from equal rights

Sharon · F

@DecafD

Self defense is different from equal rights

Violent women often claim they're entitled to attack men without fear of injury because they're "only a woman". Equality works both ways. We cannot expect to alternate between being treated equally or preferentially as it suits us.

DecafD

@Sharon I agree. I think everyone is just missing my point. Violence is not included int the definition of equal rights so it would be unfair for someone to claim their equal rights were infringed if they were injured bc someone had the right to defend themself from that person. Equal rights has nothing to do with whether or not someone violently attacks someone else. Now if we are talking about equally self defending one another, which is where you’re going, then it reaffirms your position on this. You cannot do onto others what you do not want done to yourself.

The misunderstanding in my posts is merging equal rights with self defense. The main argument should have been posed as do we all have to right to equally defend ourselves in an instance like this without being branded with a stigma bc of gender differences.

DecafD

@Sharon it does not infringe on a woman’s equal rights bc NO ONE has the right to assault someone else. That’s all I’m trying to stress. They are 2 completely different things.