I don't understand ppl complaining about gentrification

@MorbidCynic is this more a problem when nicer businesses move in

@terribleperson is that a question or statement? Lol plus property taxes would rise as well

It's a question

And again the renovated properties aren't selling for more than the value of the homes in the area a lot of times

The average property value stays the same and yeah, ur neighbors property might slightly increase in taxes might be same

@terribleperson have you ever paid property taxes? 😂 any renovation makes that shit skyrocket and if you already live below poverty lines it’s horrible. But I’m speaking from actual personal experience from a shithole in New Jersey.

Yeah the property that was renovated went from being worth 5k to closer to 100k

That value rose like shit

Everyone else's is slightly affected

Again

The house was for sale

It's not like they renovated around someone while they were living there

@terribleperson it’s still a pain for everyone else around them who can’t afford property tax they already had.

I go for what she said.
And good example of that is playing city building games. Playing that, you see the diferences and how each kind of building and area affects the value of the place.
Apart from the fiscal and financial problem, there is social problems around that subject

Those properties barely change in value. The difference would b like 3 VS 3.1 K a year if that

How does that effect the neighbors and don't u think 100 bucks is kinda worth not having homes looking like crap and keeping rats and everything.

@terribleperson my home doesn’t look like shit, so I don’t care if the ones around me do. And it’s been more of a couple grand more tbh at least in my area, not $100. I wish it was $100 but sadly you forgot an extra 0. 😉

@MorbidCynic reread the number


100 buck difference

Average person in this area pays 3.6 K a year in property taxes

These r the lower end so I just grabbed 3k as a decent number

@terribleperson They bring change. In the short time, maybe it value goes up a small amount. But, with time, it can grow. And bring more actions like that to other places of the area. So... it's a snowball effect.
The problem is what happens in some old neighbouhoods that get some commecial places. After some time, the place gets more and more expensive, with time.

@terribleperson but then you said 100 buck difference. It’s not 100 buck difference if you pay $1000 more than you did originally.

@Alfarrobas I haven't really seen too much of the businesses in the area switch out so city building is kinda a different issue

If the whole problem is business move in and jack up the area then Idk anything about it

But I know ppl around here hate these renovations because they destroy culture and all this other crap. And I think it's all lies. From what I've seen, it doesn't do any of that. So whats wrong with gentrification of neighborhoods. Update those things.

@Alfarrobas tbh I even hate all these extra people here. I like it here because it was small and practically uninhibited. But now we get all these people moving in and tourists. I hate tourists.

@MorbidCynic 3 VS 3.1k is a hundred

@terribleperson but it wasn’t a hundred difference for my taxes :/ that’s my problem, is not good from my experience when I have to pay way more than that now. It’s not like that for neighborhoods that get really popular

@Alfarrobas OK so basically and progress in neighborhoods is bad? Like I'm not trying to be a asshole here. I'm seriously asking and questioning this.

I feel like what ur saying is that modernizing neighbors and towns is bad because prices go up... Prices that would go up anyway I feel. Shoot, 100 years ago u could buy a hours for 4k. Prices go up and they go up quickly regardless of where

Well, one point at a time.

You, my dead dude. I understand that point about culture. From an historical and archetectonic perspective you can change the culture of a place from changing caracteristics on buildings. It deletes it's original and traditional composition.

My sweet morbid person. I understand what happens with you. Not because I live in a place like that, because of what happens in my countries capital. The problem with tourists is the cultural changes, financial and social alterations. I understand the subject perfectly, unfortunatelly it's hard for me to make it into english words.

@MorbidCynic I guess the other side that u seem to be saying that I'm not seeing the business renovations around the corner shops and stuff much out here. Is it that the businesses changed this or was it just homes around u changing?

@terribleperson well if home change, businesses will too. That’s what happened in my town.

@Alfarrobas *shrugs* OK well thanks for proclaiming urself an exerting and bowing out. Idk what to say really.

You can recover houses, without defacing their original architecture. The trick is to use modern materials and technologies, to make the houses more effecient without defacing their cultural and historical value.
Keep their original function. To walk that fine line that creates and harmony between modern and traditional.
Of course, that changes will make the property gets higher value.

@MorbidCynic OK well... I'm ganna leave this last comment and be done with this.

I don't understand all of thisbut I just think it's all kinda a political argument to sympathize with the poor and get votes.

When u sit there and blame ppl making money and making the city nicer around u, it makes u feel better about not improving urself or ur own situation. After it's not ur fault if someone is to blame for everything being hard.

U had a raise in taxes and chances r u had to compensate and do something about it. That's kinda what u gotta do in general.

New homes are always going to b built. Cities will keep getting bigger. More and more stores r going to pop up in the areas become more ppl means more demand. It's gone on like this for a while. It's normal.

So it confuses me that all the sudden its been demonized like we shouldn't be allowing this. Like we need to preserve the way everything is now and it just seem so weird to me.

Pls do be offended, because I think I've shown I'm not trying to insult or offend u. I just don't get this and figured I'd ask


Thank u for the conversation and ur input.

@terribleperson lol I’m not offended. My family is rather poor and I am improving what I’m doing by working 2 jobs to continue my education. In my area a lot of the people are elderly and live off their pensions or whatever, they are too old or disabled to work to compensate for the rise in prices. You honestly can’t expect people in their 80’s and wheelchair bound to go out and make a lot of money.

@MorbidCynic retirement is definitely a problem these days too...