I don't understand ppl complaining about gentrification

@CountScrofula uhhhhh

Idk how it displaces someone out of a home that is for sale and almost uninhabitable to begin with

And belive me none of these neighborhoods r desireable

The only motivation ppl from outside these neighborhoods have to move in is because the property is cheaper

@terribleperson Well you're taking extremes here.

What usually happens is a working class neighbourhood that may have had people there with a distinct culture which entices people. Trendy places open up, properties are bought and replaced, and the rents skyrocket so the original people have to move.

It's less of an issue if a place is completely run down, but people in poverty still need a place to live - so where do they go?

So it's more renters that r affected

@terribleperson lol I’m not offended. My family is rather poor and I am improving what I’m doing by working 2 jobs to continue my education. In my area a lot of the people are elderly and live off their pensions or whatever, they are too old or disabled to work to compensate for the rise in prices. You honestly can’t expect people in their 80’s and wheelchair bound to go out and make a lot of money.

@MorbidCynic retirement is definitely a problem these days too...

I'll try to explain the situation with the things that are happening in my city.
The city is a stable city in terms of expansion. It has a "mountain" an side, a river on the other, and some protected areas in another. So, leaves an few sides to were expand. But, even if that is an realitty, it has some free space to be used and to expand.
The problem is that, even if the city is evolving a steady and slower pace, the prices today go from 300 to 400 euros to rent and house. In an not that distante future, it was around 150 and 250 euros. That is just from an perspective of rentals. From the home buyers perspective, sadly I don't know much. I can't recall the past. The problem is that the things have gotten expensive. Even if the "evolution" have been smaller. The things that affected the price of the houses have been especulation, proximity to the capital, that has always been the same, with almost the same public transportation. It's just a matter of abstract concepts that got the prices higher.

Now, that's just the things that weren't made to the houses. Now, I have an house. I buy it, and it costs 100.000 euros. Ok, not bad. I go and start to make things like... and chimney, that adds to the value of the house. I go and change all the windows to an more efficient type, and the value rises again. Then, I go and install electric gates and solar and water collection facilities. The price of the house, goes up.
Ok, that in the short time won't affect people there. But, in time, the area will be seen as an more "higher class" place, and people will go there to live. It will expand the price even further, because of bigger demand. The houses will compete with each other, trying to be better. And the price will get higher and higher.
In an couple of time the all area will targeted with housing especulation.

That is what tends to happen in more rural areas. In the city, it's a change of local specifics. Either goes to turists or to commerce. Some old areas in Lisbon, if I'm not mistaken, some houses got an from 250 euros a month to 800. Just because the area, not that specific building, started to be an target for turists.
Others, got higher value just because that old street, started to got some attaction from high roller commerce, like Prada, Louis Vittoun (or what is it name xD), and the prices went crazy! And you see the place, and it's an stupid duality with the high value houses, and having homeless in the streets or junkies shooting up in an alley.

I think that people fear gentrification, because of this.
If the central or local government takes steps to try and control this speculation or this value spurt, to make things affordable to people.

@Insomniac100 well soul is being kicked out of every community regardless of area or anything. Wallstreet overtaking main Street seems to be a separate issue but ppl keep bring up business in this conversation so that might play a part.

I guess if I wanted to hone my question, what is wrong with developers coming into community and modernizing them

@terribleperson I already answered that. None of the people living in the those communities will be able to afford to live their anymore and will be kicked out after property developers jack up the prices. If you value your own perception of “modernization” over people being able to live in their own homes idk what to say. As far as “soul” what I meant was how most of these gentrified communities lose things such as community festivals, town halls, along with locally owned restaurants among other things.

From what I'm seeing the developers r selling the houses at the market averages. They don't want to make more renovation then they need to and they don't want to sell a house out of the price range of the neighborhood. No one would buy it and they wouldn't make money.

Yeah a lot of those things r going away in general aren't they? Even in already wealthy communities and such. Already overly developed areas are losing locally owned businesses. Less people are going out to social things and socializing online these days. A lot of that is just a normal change right now

I don't vote period cause I don't support any candidate but ty for the mild ad hock

The poor still live in the same house while the house down the street got fixed up

They rnt forcing the poor out

They r buying properties for sale

@hunkalove How about they go to your house if you are so worried.