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MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
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@MartinTheFirst well to me it shows conclusively that temperature has risen globally on average 1C from the base line and pretty much all of that since 1980.
I offer it here to show that just because the jet stream has led to a north south airflow over the north American landmass in last few days that global average temperatures are rising rapidly.
It comes from here
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/ if you want to read more.
I offer it here to show that just because the jet stream has led to a north south airflow over the north American landmass in last few days that global average temperatures are rising rapidly.
It comes from here
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/ if you want to read more.
therighttothink50 · 56-60, M
@SW-User so let me guess using your "logic," we are to destroy the US economy over the next few decades with symbolic EPA regulations in order to lower the temperature MAYBE 1/100th of degree? How will this help especially when China and the other industrialized nations are going to still do whatever the hell they wish? Are you about feeling good about yourself or do you actually believe in results?
http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/07/15/epa-chief-admits-obama-regs-have-no-measurable-climate-impact-one-one-hundredth-of-a-degree-epa-chief-mccarthy-defends-regs-as-enormously-beneficial-symbolic-impact/
http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/07/15/epa-chief-admits-obama-regs-have-no-measurable-climate-impact-one-one-hundredth-of-a-degree-epa-chief-mccarthy-defends-regs-as-enormously-beneficial-symbolic-impact/
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@therighttothink50 never said that.
I think ALL of us need to evaluate how we live. What we are doing and how we do it.
Cars, power production, industry, agriculture etc all need review... across the world. Our economy is man made, our reliance on fossil fuels is man made we all need to change I don't do this to favour one economy over another.
The Paris accord was a step forward but not enough. Sadly with the most power hungry, wealthy and technologically advanced country now outside of that accord it will probably fail.
This is without us needing to look at plastic pollution in our seas etc.
And yes I'm a hypocrite, on my cell phone charged thru a wall socket on the internet, how much damage do all the computers powering that across the world do in mining the metals needed, the oil for the plastics, the power to build and run it producing greenhouse gases and I sit in a Wi-Fi house with a big tv and gas fired central heating with a fridge and freezer etc.
How do we all around the globe take stock and take responsibility?
That's our generations greatest challenge I believe.
I think ALL of us need to evaluate how we live. What we are doing and how we do it.
Cars, power production, industry, agriculture etc all need review... across the world. Our economy is man made, our reliance on fossil fuels is man made we all need to change I don't do this to favour one economy over another.
The Paris accord was a step forward but not enough. Sadly with the most power hungry, wealthy and technologically advanced country now outside of that accord it will probably fail.
This is without us needing to look at plastic pollution in our seas etc.
And yes I'm a hypocrite, on my cell phone charged thru a wall socket on the internet, how much damage do all the computers powering that across the world do in mining the metals needed, the oil for the plastics, the power to build and run it producing greenhouse gases and I sit in a Wi-Fi house with a big tv and gas fired central heating with a fridge and freezer etc.
How do we all around the globe take stock and take responsibility?
That's our generations greatest challenge I believe.
therighttothink50 · 56-60, M
@SW-User I will ask you one simple question based on the earth being around billions of years and most of that time existing without humans on it. In the last billions of years we have had huge floods, ice ages and extreme cooling and heating. Why do you think the last 150 years and the future is going to be anything different or is so special? Do you think your tiny speck of time on the earth is that special and unique?
The earth is a magnificent planet. It has gone through cataclysmic changes over billions of years and it adapts pretty well to almost everything and changes accordingly. There is very little we can do about it. The sun is the main arbiter in regard to climate cycles, always has and always will be.
When we listen to politicians who have a vile agenda we are apt to lose our freedoms very easily. We definitely need to re-evaluate the microcosm of modern day man's existence.This being the minute time we as individuals live and stop making outrageous claims and stop living in the illusion that symbolic epa regulations and Communist pacts made by worthless politicians are going to have any effect on the earth.
Let's preserve our freedom and stop those people who are trying to take it away from us everyday and who seek to destroy the short time we get to enjoy living here. We can love the earth and be responsible about the environment without becoming part of the cult looking to turn everybody into slaves.
The earth is a magnificent planet. It has gone through cataclysmic changes over billions of years and it adapts pretty well to almost everything and changes accordingly. There is very little we can do about it. The sun is the main arbiter in regard to climate cycles, always has and always will be.
When we listen to politicians who have a vile agenda we are apt to lose our freedoms very easily. We definitely need to re-evaluate the microcosm of modern day man's existence.This being the minute time we as individuals live and stop making outrageous claims and stop living in the illusion that symbolic epa regulations and Communist pacts made by worthless politicians are going to have any effect on the earth.
Let's preserve our freedom and stop those people who are trying to take it away from us everyday and who seek to destroy the short time we get to enjoy living here. We can love the earth and be responsible about the environment without becoming part of the cult looking to turn everybody into slaves.
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@therighttothink50 hooray for your last statement. I'd love a world united without nations, without division.... I think that though is harder than fixing global warming.
The difference I see is the rapidity of change. Yes it is a spec of time. The earth will continue as the only planet we know of supporting life. But.... we have built a current human centric world in many places and we put that at risk ie human continuing existence on this precious planet by our own arrogance that nature's reaction to us won't destroy us. I feel to do that when we know what is causing it is crazy but politicians and businessmen will dictate sadly what we do.
The difference I see is the rapidity of change. Yes it is a spec of time. The earth will continue as the only planet we know of supporting life. But.... we have built a current human centric world in many places and we put that at risk ie human continuing existence on this precious planet by our own arrogance that nature's reaction to us won't destroy us. I feel to do that when we know what is causing it is crazy but politicians and businessmen will dictate sadly what we do.
MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
You guys are really getting heated over the weather hu? You must be very british.
therighttothink50 · 56-60, M
@SW-User https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/02/21/curry-computer-predictions-of-climate-alarm-are-flawed/
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/02/09/dr-judith-curry-speaks-out-on-climate-sciences-fatal-flaw-the-failure-to-explore-and-understand-uncertainty/
http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/02/23/more-than-a-300-climate-skeptics-ask-trump-to-withdraw-from-un-agency/
http://www.climatedepot.com/2016/11/15/skeptics-deliver-2016-state-of-the-climate-report-to-un-summit-everything-you-been-told-about-global-warming-is-wrong/
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/02/09/dr-judith-curry-speaks-out-on-climate-sciences-fatal-flaw-the-failure-to-explore-and-understand-uncertainty/
http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/02/23/more-than-a-300-climate-skeptics-ask-trump-to-withdraw-from-un-agency/
http://www.climatedepot.com/2016/11/15/skeptics-deliver-2016-state-of-the-climate-report-to-un-summit-everything-you-been-told-about-global-warming-is-wrong/