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MethDozer · M
Nah. It makes sense to cut foreign aid, military spending, and welfare. We could lower taxes and lower the debt then.
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MethDozer · M
@Ynotisay No.... However colleges are already rife with BS degree programs just for the sake of getting money. Free college would increase them while further watering down college education. We would just have more gender studies and half assed art degree programs that aren't a good return on investment. All it would do is create BS college programs and make that necessary for menial jobs. That's not a win.
Ynotisay · M
@MethDozer But if colleges were publicly funded the motivation for profit would be decreased, right? Clearly there are many State colleges that can stand as proof of that. Private universities and the scam online "universities" are a little different. And I'm not sure degrees in fields not applicable to making a living would increase. The job market wouldn't change.
Sorry man. The countries that do the best are the countries with the best educational systems. That's not us.
Sorry man. The countries that do the best are the countries with the best educational systems. That's not us.
softspokenman · M
Trump University ? @MethDozer
Ynotisay · M
@softspokenman I heard their Nambia campus is really nice. You can a bigley education there.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
You need to get off the bash trump bandwagon and look at America with better eyes. The takers are drowning the producers. If this continues, we won't be here much longer.
MethDozer · M
@Ynotisay No. State universities do not prove that. They are still treated as a market. it actually proves the opposite since the increase in loans and subsidies has increased the BS courses offered at Community and State colleges in order to secure the most funding. College isn't for or needed for everyone and many are better off going straight into a trade. We have already accomplished making HS a useless diploma. Why make the leap into furthering it more into college?
College should be true higher education for the best and brightest minds, not a furthering of childhood. STEM, high arts, philosophy,business, and medicine are really the need for such institutions IMHO.
Not gender studies, golf course management, humanities, etc., etc..... There's a lot of scams in the State and non-online universities as well and it's because people can get subsidies and loans so the money is there.
There's a lot that is offered that could just be taught in primary school if there primary function was productive jobs and life skills instead of just prepping all for college when only about 15% of students are the next doctors, Leonardos,lawyers, Mozarts, and engineers.
Example. To become a manager at Hertz car rental now requires a 4 year. Why? Because it's just proof of motivation and they are so easy to get a BS degree in something to prove motivation.
Going to college for college sake is silly.
Besides healthcare is vastly more important.
College should be true higher education for the best and brightest minds, not a furthering of childhood. STEM, high arts, philosophy,business, and medicine are really the need for such institutions IMHO.
Not gender studies, golf course management, humanities, etc., etc..... There's a lot of scams in the State and non-online universities as well and it's because people can get subsidies and loans so the money is there.
There's a lot that is offered that could just be taught in primary school if there primary function was productive jobs and life skills instead of just prepping all for college when only about 15% of students are the next doctors, Leonardos,lawyers, Mozarts, and engineers.
Example. To become a manager at Hertz car rental now requires a 4 year. Why? Because it's just proof of motivation and they are so easy to get a BS degree in something to prove motivation.
Going to college for college sake is silly.
Besides healthcare is vastly more important.
MethDozer · M
@MasterLee They aren't really producing and they aren't really being destroyed. Most aren't even really American, most are international entities and they colluded with the government to our and true free market demise to send jobs to production to Asia. I'm not in poverty, but I feel no sympathy for them.
You say you dislike entitlements, well ( here's the shocker) they are the biggest takers and beneficiaries of entitlements and welfare. *GASP
You say you dislike entitlements, well ( here's the shocker) they are the biggest takers and beneficiaries of entitlements and welfare. *GASP
Ynotisay · M
@MethDozer A question. You own a business. Do you hire the person who has shown they can commit and reach a goal or the person who bounces around from one low-paying job to the next?
Let's say your business requires more skill than can be taught in a week. Do you hire the person who has shown a level of comprehension and received training? That you didn't have to pay for? Or do you go out of pocket and start from scratch?
And "Free" secondary education isn't just about engineers and doctors. Vocational colleges are part of that. Plumbers, electricians, mechanics. It's a ripple effect. And the 'sharpest' minds will have even more access to the types of tools they need. Everyone does better. Even the person working at McDonald's.
We could have "free" college education for all for less than the military budget INCREASE Trump signed in to law.
And you're right. Healthcare is more important. And all that would take is having the obscenely wealthy pay a bit more in tax. But we can't have that, right?
You're fighting against the best interests of "regular" people when you argue against things like education. I don't get that. I guess we see this differently.
Let's say your business requires more skill than can be taught in a week. Do you hire the person who has shown a level of comprehension and received training? That you didn't have to pay for? Or do you go out of pocket and start from scratch?
And "Free" secondary education isn't just about engineers and doctors. Vocational colleges are part of that. Plumbers, electricians, mechanics. It's a ripple effect. And the 'sharpest' minds will have even more access to the types of tools they need. Everyone does better. Even the person working at McDonald's.
We could have "free" college education for all for less than the military budget INCREASE Trump signed in to law.
And you're right. Healthcare is more important. And all that would take is having the obscenely wealthy pay a bit more in tax. But we can't have that, right?
You're fighting against the best interests of "regular" people when you argue against things like education. I don't get that. I guess we see this differently.
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