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Does it make sense to raise the debt 1.5 trillion

to get a few hundred back on you taxes. If you have kids I guess they'll have to pay back the debt unless your kid becomes rich, then they won't have to pay for anything.
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MethDozer · M
Nah. It makes sense to cut foreign aid, military spending, and welfare. We could lower taxes and lower the debt then.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@MethDozer let's cut entitlements and all welfare.
MethDozer · M
@MasterLee Foreign Aid to places like Israel and the military spending should be cut first.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@MethDozer no military should be increased. Foreign aid should be slashed.
Ynotisay · M
@MethDozer We could also feed every hungry child and provide a free college education to whoever wanted to go. No way that'll ever happen. Because America. And because freedom.
MethDozer · M
@MasterLee We spend more money opn the military than anyone for the most part and all we do is use it for bullshit conflicts that only benefit mega corporations. We don't need to spend all that money on it. Jingoistic warhawks need to fuck off.
Ynotisay · M
@MethDozer Our yearly military budget is just a little bit less than the rest of the world COMBINED.
MethDozer · M
@Ynotisay Frere college tuition would be a shot in the foot. All that would accomplish is further increasing already over-priced college degrees and increase the already high amount of silly programs offered while further decreasing their value.


Better off fixing healthcare.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@MethDozer no we spend more on entitlements. Military spending is negligible.
Ynotisay · M
@MethDozer So you're arguing against education? Yeah...you lost me on that one man.
MethDozer · M
@MasterLee ROFLMMFAO.... oooookay.. I see you have your alternative facts in order.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@MethDozer better off getting rid of Obamacare.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@MethDozer yes have you seen the budget?
MethDozer · M
@Ynotisay No.... However colleges are already rife with BS degree programs just for the sake of getting money. Free college would increase them while further watering down college education. We would just have more gender studies and half assed art degree programs that aren't a good return on investment. All it would do is create BS college programs and make that necessary for menial jobs. That's not a win.
Ynotisay · M
@MethDozer But if colleges were publicly funded the motivation for profit would be decreased, right? Clearly there are many State colleges that can stand as proof of that. Private universities and the scam online "universities" are a little different. And I'm not sure degrees in fields not applicable to making a living would increase. The job market wouldn't change.
Sorry man. The countries that do the best are the countries with the best educational systems. That's not us.
Trump University ? @MethDozer
Ynotisay · M
@softspokenman I heard their Nambia campus is really nice. You can a bigley education there.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
You need to get off the bash trump bandwagon and look at America with better eyes. The takers are drowning the producers. If this continues, we won't be here much longer.
MethDozer · M
@Ynotisay No. State universities do not prove that. They are still treated as a market. it actually proves the opposite since the increase in loans and subsidies has increased the BS courses offered at Community and State colleges in order to secure the most funding. College isn't for or needed for everyone and many are better off going straight into a trade. We have already accomplished making HS a useless diploma. Why make the leap into furthering it more into college?
College should be true higher education for the best and brightest minds, not a furthering of childhood. STEM, high arts, philosophy,business, and medicine are really the need for such institutions IMHO.

Not gender studies, golf course management, humanities, etc., etc..... There's a lot of scams in the State and non-online universities as well and it's because people can get subsidies and loans so the money is there.
There's a lot that is offered that could just be taught in primary school if there primary function was productive jobs and life skills instead of just prepping all for college when only about 15% of students are the next doctors, Leonardos,lawyers, Mozarts, and engineers.
Example. To become a manager at Hertz car rental now requires a 4 year. Why? Because it's just proof of motivation and they are so easy to get a BS degree in something to prove motivation.
Going to college for college sake is silly.
Besides healthcare is vastly more important.
MethDozer · M
@MasterLee The "producers" as youy call them are doing just fine. There lifestyles and mega yachts prove that.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@MethDozer so destroying the producers does what besides make you feel better in your poverty?
MethDozer · M
@MasterLee They aren't really producing and they aren't really being destroyed. Most aren't even really American, most are international entities and they colluded with the government to our and true free market demise to send jobs to production to Asia. I'm not in poverty, but I feel no sympathy for them.
You say you dislike entitlements, well ( here's the shocker) they are the biggest takers and beneficiaries of entitlements and welfare. *GASP
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@MethDozer cool story bro
MethDozer · M
@MasterLee The truth often is.
Ynotisay · M
@MethDozer A question. You own a business. Do you hire the person who has shown they can commit and reach a goal or the person who bounces around from one low-paying job to the next?
Let's say your business requires more skill than can be taught in a week. Do you hire the person who has shown a level of comprehension and received training? That you didn't have to pay for? Or do you go out of pocket and start from scratch?
And "Free" secondary education isn't just about engineers and doctors. Vocational colleges are part of that. Plumbers, electricians, mechanics. It's a ripple effect. And the 'sharpest' minds will have even more access to the types of tools they need. Everyone does better. Even the person working at McDonald's.
We could have "free" college education for all for less than the military budget INCREASE Trump signed in to law.
And you're right. Healthcare is more important. And all that would take is having the obscenely wealthy pay a bit more in tax. But we can't have that, right?
You're fighting against the best interests of "regular" people when you argue against things like education. I don't get that. I guess we see this differently.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@MethDozer if you choose to believe that