CursedOne · 41-45, M
In other word is it possible to have thought that is not even remotely related to the any sort/form of knowledge possessed by you in the past.. and the answer is NO, such state of mind is called deep meditation or salvation in some spiritual practices.. its very different state of mind
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Magnolia · 31-35, F
Thank you! I have met a handful of people who know what I'm talking about. The most interesting was this one elderly woman who a family friend put me in contact with. I went over to her house and.. This sounds weird. We spoke for a few hours but we weren't actually saying anything. We both had this experience and it's like we were talking telepathically. I love science and I'm aware that a scientist would disregard that story but it happened to me. I'll write more stories on my profile about these experiences if you're interested in reading them some time.
Magnolia · 31-35, F
I am also studying tech :)
mic11225 · 26-30, M
I don't believe so. I believe everything we do is a reaction to stimulus, even if that stimulus is not something immediately physical. This topic is why I'm convinced free will actually does not exist, because our brain is physical and it is made to act a certain way, and it could be argued that everything we've done or chose to do was predetermined because of the way our brain has developed.
Faust76 · 46-50, M
There is some kind of quantum theory of mind which is often evoked to try to justify free will; of course, more often than not this just indicates total lack of understanding of quantum mechanics, not to mention parroting bad science instead of coming up with original thought ;)
I think there are more interesting questions elsewhere. Indeed, to quote, 'This concept has been traced to the 12th century, attributed to Bernard of Chartres. Its most familiar expression in English is by Isaac Newton in 1676: "If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."', the idea of combining and refining information is not exactly new, but I'm not sure if there's been much thought put into how this and genius exactly works; at least in the way that free will and quantum mechanics have gripped the public consciousness.
I think there are more interesting questions elsewhere. Indeed, to quote, 'This concept has been traced to the 12th century, attributed to Bernard of Chartres. Its most familiar expression in English is by Isaac Newton in 1676: "If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."', the idea of combining and refining information is not exactly new, but I'm not sure if there's been much thought put into how this and genius exactly works; at least in the way that free will and quantum mechanics have gripped the public consciousness.
Magnolia · 31-35, F
LOL that's a good one. Have you seen that "documentary" which was massively popular a few years ago 'What the Bleep Do We Know?'
It's a shame that it was so popular because it was just 2 hours of anti-science, describing itself as quantum theory.
It's a shame that it was so popular because it was just 2 hours of anti-science, describing itself as quantum theory.
Faust76 · 46-50, M
@Magnolia: https://www.quantamagazine.org/20170207-bell-test-quantum-loophole/ is pretty crazy and I didn't have time to read it yet, but...
Magnolia · 31-35, F
@Faust76: Thanks, I'll be sure to read that.
Faust76 · 46-50, M
There's some issues that seem to get confused. "Original thought" is possible, and encouraged by scientific method through observing nature. But it's not the same thing as "thought from nothing". In the extreme, a cosmic ray could hit your synapse, causing an errant thought that's original and ... from any mortal human point of view, "from nothing". But it's still causal, brought on by inevitable progression of classic physics.
Your question seems to be a re-wording of the question of free will. If it is not, then of course, by observing nature and our surroundings, like the proverbial Newton observing an apple falling from tree, we can obtain insight that may not have occurred to another mortal mind before. To say nothing of various kinds of insanity, though the usefulness of those thoughts could be debatable ;)
Your question seems to be a re-wording of the question of free will. If it is not, then of course, by observing nature and our surroundings, like the proverbial Newton observing an apple falling from tree, we can obtain insight that may not have occurred to another mortal mind before. To say nothing of various kinds of insanity, though the usefulness of those thoughts could be debatable ;)
Magnolia · 31-35, F
A few people have mentioned the free will thing and I actually hadn't thought of that when asking the question but it seems to relate. I woke up this morning and thought "paradox" so I looked up some paradoxes and it lead me to asking the question 😅. That example you gave with the cosmic ray is intriguing!
thanks for your answer
thanks for your answer
Spokeskitties75 · 46-50, M
I precisely believe that is what the brain is trying to do when we dream. Develop a thought from nothing.
Spokeskitties75 · 46-50, M
@Magnolia: absolutely!! I love chatting about these kind of things. 😊
Magnolia · 31-35, F
@Spokeskitty75: Oh me too. Somebody else in this thread just reminded me of something interesting that happened to me - an out of body experience. I think I'll write about that soon.
Spokeskitties75 · 46-50, M
@Magnolia: I have not experienced that for myself, however... I believe I have seen others during it.
Existentior · M
The only thing I can come up with is temporary loss of consciousness, which interrupts my current experience.
I had this experience during my martial arts training: during sparring I had a thought (black emptiness) which I recalled right after the lapse. I tried really hard to remember what I was doing before and during the blackout but I simply couldn't. The obvious reason though, was dehydration.. I had just come from school without even drinking a sip of water.
More information: http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=7662
I had this experience during my martial arts training: during sparring I had a thought (black emptiness) which I recalled right after the lapse. I tried really hard to remember what I was doing before and during the blackout but I simply couldn't. The obvious reason though, was dehydration.. I had just come from school without even drinking a sip of water.
More information: http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=7662
sighmeupforthat · 46-50, M
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MikefromEP · 56-60, M
Original thought has usually been hated by the mass majority
Magnolia · 31-35, F
I feel like you either don't understand me or you're arguing for fun.
MikefromEP · 56-60, M
@Magnolia: I answered what I feel
Magnolia · 31-35, F
Ok thanks for answering.
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
I am mostly inspired by others. I'm not even sure if I'm capable of deep original thoughts. 🤔
CheshireCatalyst · 41-45, M
In a sensory deprivation chamber I guess? Then the only place your thoughts would be arriving from would be the darkness they are born in.
CheshireCatalyst · 41-45, M
@Magnolia: but combinations of our memories are inherently original. They are amalgams of things our perceptions have created.
Magnolia · 31-35, F
I see what you're getting at but I'm not talking about original combinations made up of unoriginal thoughts. I'm talking about a thought originating from inside your mind.
SINAI · T
Everything's recycled.
Magnolia · 31-35, F
It seems that way. Even really complex thoughts and theories seem to be based on a load of other information that we've taken in. I'd like to think there's such thing as an original thought though.
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SW-User
yea but you call them crazy thoughts
Magnolia · 31-35, F
Can you give me an example?
SW-User
@Magnolia: let's leave everything and live off the grid, without the wall of absurd noise and without all the burden of stupid formalities. I know It would be hard at first because we are infected...mind and soul
Magnolia · 31-35, F
I don't think that's an original thought. We have heard of other people leaving society and living off the grid. The first person to do that probably would have had knowledge of others living away from civilisation like remote villagers or jungle natives.