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Upon our culture's transcendental morality

There are so many people out there shouting at us, and we don't have the time any more to reflect properly let along formulate our own answer to the shouting that is entirely solid and decent. Thinking is a great thing to do, though many people nowadays mistake that from the state of absolute rationality that is their cause. Are they mistaken? Yes, they are, because somehow they think that they are so much better than anyone that preceded them and can't point to anything solid and decent to be the actual fundation for what and how they are forcing thought, belief and living to be. Somehow we live in a time where the shouting tell us that there's no more room any more for faith. So what's going on then with the quite normal jumps of thought that we make daily? You are a parent and want to be respected as such by your children. What is your rational for that? Is it heroic materialism or selfish gene-like individualism?

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bijouxbroussard · F

I don’t understand why theists feel the need for everyone else to be in lockstep. Why can’t they follow whatever precepts of faith help them, and leave those who don’t want to participate alone ? 😳

val70 · 51-55

@bijouxbroussard Perhaps because they are called theists? Remember the word-thing?

bijouxbroussard · F

@val70

With the possible exception of the third definition, it sounds like a personal belief, with no reason to dictate to others.

val70 · 51-55

@bijouxbroussard Oh gosh, you'll telling me again and not asking what I mean. You have a definitely problem with people being different. That's what we could call shouting

Carla · 61-69, F

@val70 she is not shouting.
Remember the word thing? She just only gave you the actual definition of the word. There is no need to ask you what you mean. Because, as you stated, it's a word thing...

bijouxbroussard · F

@val70 No, I’ve had problems with the intolerance of others who resented differences. You really don’t understand at all.

val70 · 51-55

@bijouxbroussard Well, we can go on with this nonsense forever. You need to get away from labeling people like me. I've had experiences too but obviously you like just to transpose yours onto my observations. Not easy to get away from labeling, I know, but that's where a faith kicks in. I'm sorry for your state of feeling hurt from past experiences, but please, don't try to shout me down any more for something I'm not

bijouxbroussard · F

@val70 How did I "label" you ? I know nothing about you personally. And not concerned enough to judge one way or the other.

I’ve spoken of my experiences and the historical fact that various religious missionaries have traveled to other countries with the goal of converting indigenous people to their beliefs. I imagine that many of my ancestors weren’t initially Catholic, but the families that owned them insisted on converting their slaves. How in the world does that label [b]you[/b] personally ?

You, on the other hand, accused me of "shouting" and not accepting those who are "different".
I come from a rather diverse family. I learned about differences from the cradle.

val70 · 51-55

@bijouxbroussard "I don’t understand why theists feel the need for everyone else to be in lockstep." = labeling me as a believer who wants to keep others to follow my own believes, rather than someone who's claiming that we do have the human right to have a faith, and personally, I don't agree at all with the modern viewpoint that believers don't actually have rationality and thus are incapable of thinking. Keep yourself to the argument on offer instead of shouting about your own experiences and the word-things. It's all in title, but then again it does take a bit more effort than just shouting someone down

bijouxbroussard · F

@val70 You personally ? I wouldn’t know. But theists in general do appear to feel this way.

I’ve been amongst them all my life. Used to be one. And I can tell you, I’ve encountered many theists at my door asking about my beliefs, inviting me to "fellowship", telling me I need to "get saved”, find a "church home", etc. I’m certain nothing malevolent is intended, but it [b]is[/b] presumptuous.

No atheists have ever come calling offering to burn my rosaries or crucifixes.

val70 · 51-55

@bijouxbroussard Again the same. Keep yourself to the argument on offer. It's in the title after all, that our cultures have a transcendental morality

bijouxbroussard · F

@val70 Then I’ll phrase it more succinctly: we hold different worldviews, and that is okay.

There are people I dearly love who are theists, but who don’t proselytize. I don’t want anything bad to happen to them, so I don’t hate theists. We just see the world differently.

val70 · 51-55

@bijouxbroussard Right, your worldview. Like I would point to a pencel and a typewriter and then say the argument is closed instead of looking more closely at the inkt let along the letters used. I'm sure that we'll all fit the little boxes eventually

bijouxbroussard · F

@val70 Sure, I’m entitled to have one. I’m not alone, I just haven’t blocked you. 🤭

val70 · 51-55

@bijouxbroussard I'm in good company then. Us the blocked. You're obviously good at putting people into boxes. Bully for you. You'll make it eventually. But not in understanding what the title meant

bijouxbroussard · F

@val70 Do you even get the irony in your continuing to attack me [b]personally[/b] after having internalized my [b]general[/b] observations about "theists" ? 🤨

val70 · 51-55

@bijouxbroussard Nah, just don't like to be labeled. And this isn't the first time. This whole should be only a discussion online and I'm actually not bullying nor harassing you. Happened to me as a believer often enough on here. Me here, I just want to stick to my title and the argument on offer. It's a fair demand. Or atleast question if Jordan Peterson is actually true into his conversation from non-believer to a believer, etc.

bijouxbroussard · F

@val70 Since personal attacks are clearly [b]your[/b] m.o., it would appear that you see any opinion that you disagree with as an attack against you. No olive branch or meeting of minds possible. Pity, since I’ve occasionally agreed with you—I actually understand that people can disagree about subject A but be on the same page with subject B.

So much for "differences". Fin.

val70 · 51-55

@bijouxbroussard No olive branch when you continue calling me theist and I changed the wording for the title of my prior posting into woke-like in regards to your comment there. I've never heard people calling others here theists but plenty are talking about woke culture

bijouxbroussard · F

@val70 The only folks using the term ”woke" nowadays are the racist right And we did have this conversation before. So if that label fits—[b]wear[/b] it.

Thank you for indicating the actual label that applies to [b]you[/b], because I really didn’t have one for you before.

OogieBoogie · F

@val70 but arent you a theist?
I was under the assumption form comments you have made on others posts, that you do believe in God.

So now im confused. Youre insulted at being called a theist, but to all appearances, believe in god .🤷‍♀️

Am I wrong, do you not believe in God?

val70 · 51-55

@OogieBoogie Yes, I'm not a label. I'm a christian or a believer in the one God. Use the word theist and I'm grouped together with people who believe in many gods. It's that simple and a bit insulting too. But never mind me yet again

OogieBoogie · F

@val70 ok, i was being cautiously literal , i didn't know it was an insult .
my bad .

val70 · 51-55

@OogieBoogie That's okay. I just wanted to discuss our culture's transcendental morality. Like in atheists could have influenced it also, but it didn't come out of nothing