At first i believed this news and got furious but after further research this turned out to be false.
Algeria does not allow transgenders nor anything related to the lgtbq it’s literally IlLEGAL there. Do you think Algeria a Muslim conservative country would let a transgender represent them ? Imane is not a transgender . she was NOT assigned male at birth and then changed that. She was assigned female at birth because she has a vulva and a uterus and everything a female baby has (wasn’t your definition of a woman someone born with female reproductive organs ? lol) And she has been a female since birth and was never classified as a male.
Apparently imane has lost many times before Why didn’t people say the same thing whenever she lost? Or only gonna complain when she wins? She lost for instance to the Irish boxer Kellie Harrington . She lost in the Olympics 2020 and nobody said a thing, and was beaten by 9 other women.
just because her Italian opponent quit after 46 seconds That does not make imane a man But makes her opponent a cry baby and a coward there is a story of a Saudi girl (Hattan Al sayf) she’s a girl She she beat her Egyptian opponent in a boxing competition with one strike in 41 seconds. Does that make the Saudi girl a man? Nope
Beating your opponent with one strike or in less than a minute doesn’t magically turn u into the other gender. Imane actually has few KO’s in her entire career.
The IOC has gone public with the fact that she meets all the criteria to compete and is a biological woman.
why is michael phelps so worshiped by the olympics community when he was also born with genetic advantages but imane is evlized ? Both men and women produce testosterone But men produce more testosterone Even if Imane produces more testosterone than average woman that doesn’t make her a man.
You can debate this all you want but hating on this woman who was also born woman and calling her a transgender is disgraceful.
And most importantly you’d rather talk about this instead of the rapists and criminals allowed to compete in the Olympics.
@BohemianBabe if you ask them what makes a woman a woman they say she’s born with female reproductive organs Well imane was born with female reproductive organs But apparently she’s not a woman
@Moon3624 He's a man with a DSD. A disorder/difference of sexual development.
Written by Emma Hilton, a biologist whose research area was developmental biology and clinical genetics -
"If it is, as suspected, 5ARD, this means:
The baby starts developing as a healthy male (XY, testes, testosterone, all the internal plumbing).
But the baby lacks a protein needed to make a penis grow. This means that baby’s external genitals can develop as female-looking. Hence, baby might be registered at birth as female.
During puberty, the male internal bits start kicking out huge amounts of testosterone (as per male) and their external genitals start to become more masculine. It’s a kind of “catch up”.
Not only that, but testosterone at puberty - produced by all that internal male biology - does all the regular stuff it does to muscles blah blah.
So their body - the thing they run, jump and punch with - has developed like any other male.
That’s why they shouldn’t be in female categories. It’s got precisely nothing to do with their external genitalia and what their paperwork says."
Apparently imane has lost many times before Why didn’t people say the same thing whenever she lost?
Lack of awareness, and the fighter hadn't failed sex tests by the sports governing body yet.
Michael Phelps had genetic advantages but within his class of competition. He wasn't swimming against women, or boys, but other men. One boxer, or sportsperson will always have some advantage over another, but within a reasonable range. No-one is saying that Imane is unbeatable, but has an unfair advantage. This isn't an attack on who they are, it's not an identity or appearance thing. You can see the physical difference between them, they may have lived and called themselves female all their life, and sincerely believed that, but it isn't true - Even if you would argue to the death that Imane should be allowed to compete as a female, it's undeniable that theyhave physical advantahes beyond that of most female boxers, as a result of this condition. Whether you think that's fair or not is the argument, not whether any advantage exists as it's clear that it does.
@helsbels 1/ What you are saying is “if” You are making an assumption But from my understanding , the international Olympics committee said she actually passed all of the tests that prove she is a biological female. She only failed one test but we cannot evaluate it as results never made public (why? ) and was carried by IBA which is known for their corruption and not considered reliable
“During puberty, the male internal bits start kicking out huge amounts of testosterone (as per male) and their external genitals start to become more masculine. It’s a kind of “catch up”. She still has female reproductive organs from my understanding are you saying she has a penis ?
Also I don’t get the hijab vs non hijab pic since women in Algeria aren’t forced to cover
2/ I never said she has no any genetic advantage (I frankly don’t know ) But even if she did it would make her something like Micheal Phelps but my issue is with liars who call her a transgender even though she’s not and Algeria is a homophobic country where lgtbq is illegal Or even a biological man since they don’t have any official medical proof Can you show me a medical report supporting your claim? Until then I’ll continue to address her as a woman
@Moon3624 Yeah, trying to put aside all the sensationalism and outrage and speak purely factually, I appreciate you responding politely to me!
I can show you as much medical proof that Imane is a man, as you can show me that proves she's a woman - as addressed, being observed as a female at birth is not surprising due to the suspected condition. And although it's only assumptions about the specific DSD, these are likely more accurate than not based on people who see and study these things. It's right for people to be protective, and wary but these are not wild claims out of the blue. It would be a less pressing matter if it was a non-contact sport. Did you see the fight? I felt sick watching it, I know enough about what a woman looks like and what a man looks like to say that what I watched was a person with all the physical attributes of a man punching a woman in the face. I've seen women's boxing before, but nothing like the force of the punch that made Angela Carini quit.
She still has female reproductive organs from my understanding are you saying she has a penis ?
I don't know. I'm less interested about what's going on in the shorts, that's not what is being used to punch with. It's the hands and arms powered by male testosterone that concern me.
international Olympics committee said she actually passed all of the tests that prove she is a biological female.
The IOC said Imane satisfied their eligibilty, which didn't include sex testing. They effectively said 'the birth certificate/passport says female and that's what we go by'.
@Moon3624 Oh and the pic wasn't about the hijab specifically, but you show 100 people that photo and ask them to point to the woman, what do you think will happen? And that's not to say you have to 'look feminine' to be a woman, but just everything there displays male development.
@helsbels What you are doing is speculation You are saying that this person is not a woman because she doesn’t look feminine enough to you If you made ur opinion based on the Ko, then many women wrestler won by kos Also her ko record is not that great actually You are going based on a trend and everyone jumped on the train. I have no problem with accepting your theory I’m very against biological men participating in women’s sport but this remains a theory unless you show me medical proof . Until then ur hating on a person and bullying them based on no evidence whatsoever
@SW-User We're going in circles. The athletes, their coaches etc have seen the results and not challenged them. The court of arbitration for sport is a trustworthy name, it is THE ultimate overseer of these issues and the two labs that tested the athlete are approved by them. There's nothing shady about it. They can appeal the result, but have chosen not to.
The situation with Khelif hadn't come to light at earlier points in their career (proving it's not about appearance or 'revenge', only after a huge amount of reasonable suspicion to put it generously, suggested that Khelif was male).
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@helsbels If the results are confidential, how could the “athletes and coaches etc” have seen the results in order to not challenge them?
@Moon3624 The IBA test was performed by independent labs/testers that are 'licensed' (I'm not sure if that's the right word?), but anyway - trusted by, approved by, vetted by the court of arbitration for sport. If there was any suspicion of wrong doing it would be known.
We have to take certain things on trust. When there's a new world record time recorded, I trust the time keepers, the technology. I don't have my own stop watch. And I don't need to see the report to trust its findings.
If the results are confidential, how could the “athletes and coaches etc” have seen the results in order to not challenge them?
Confidential in that they can't be made public (unless chosen to by the individual), they're not kept secret from the person who's results they are 😄 Just like you can see your own medical records but they can't be shown to anyone else without your consent.
@helsbels The IBA’s reputation is not great Also about confidentiality I wasn’t talking necessarily about the results alone but the method itself “ IBA clarified that the two athletes didn't undergo a testosterone examination but were subjected to - separate and recognised test, whereby the specifics remain confidential “
She has women’s genitals. She has heightened testosterone but not above the women’s threshold. The methodology of these is not certain because it was conducted by the amazingly corrupt (and since stripped of its Olympic status) IBA.
She's lost to 9 female boxers who looked like they had less testosterone than the recent Italian opponent . Why are you acting like she is invincible when it comes to women? One of the women that defeated her before, an Irish spoke put and basically called out the Italian for having a skill issue.
Your points are not false bc they are false academically but because they are speculations fueled by a wave of misinformation during a time of a trendy topic And not based on a reliable scientific source
The dispute tho isn’t about the genetic situation of imane But it started with people who said she’s a transgender who cheated their way into women sports bc they don’t want to fight men
If, as you claim, the “athletes, coaches, etc.” have seen the results and have chosen not to appeal… what’s the problem?
They are in the Olympics; they need to follow the IOC’s rules. The IOC has applied its rules correctly, so anyone who doesn’t like them can either deal with it, or not compete.
as I have said to you I believe already I was not outraged just nor was I furious.
I'm just pointing it out for conversations. Better this than each time a murder takes place - are all the lives lost in the wars - baby infants are raped and killed by their parents or family members - etc.
Their participated in the Olympics before no testosterone tests were noted to be given.
And yes they have been beaten - as I have written there are some females who can box toe to toe with a man (and not meaning transgender who are born male).
Considering what natural testosterone does for the male the body, with natural high levels they have an advantage over other females.
Females with male hormones is almost like saying I'm a male and a female body.
But I digress - I don't usually comment much or read what it said - but your name kept coming up directed at me. I post simply for news and what people love to talk about.
@Moon3624 that's the first I've heard of rapist and criminals participating in the Olympics. Are you referring to someone who committed a crime and served time for it, repented, trying to get their lives together? Let me do some research!
Did my research ... the guy admitted to and was convicted of raped in 2014 of a 12-year-old _ sentenced to 13 months in 2016. He is 29 now 12 years ago he was 17. I wonder why they gave him only 13 months? Do you think it was because he was a teenager himself even though considered an adult.
I found but couldn't pull up where crimes were committed years to decades ago _ so whether the crimes were committed before or after they competed is unknown...... I found information on some who committed crimes after they were Olympians _ the most famous is the Blade Runner.
Bring attention to it by posting something separate.
But what is going on in the world today concerning gender identity will make the news more so than someone participating in the Olympics who has committed a crime.
If, as you claim, the “athletes, coaches, etc.” have seen the results and havechosennot to appeal…what’s the problem?
Well the test results, that they've accepted, prove their ineligibilty by any sane measure in women's boxing. So the problem is the IOC have allowed a man to box against a woman.
I can only assume anyone in favour of this, defending it etc is doing it from an idealogical stand point and not watched any of the fights.
