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I love humanity ... It's humans I have an issue with ...

I'm training this spring with three of my friends for a triathlon coming up later this year in June. We are pounding the miles in the water, on our bikes, and running. Well, yesterday we were out for a ride and practicing what cyclists call drafting. This is where one cyclist rides very close to the one in front in order to take advantage of their draft and not have to cut through the wind alone. 🚴‍♀🚴‍♀🚴‍♀🚴‍♀

Anyway, we are moving pretty quick and there are just inches between one bike and the next as the four of us proceed down the trail. The "rail trail" (former railroad bed converted into a multi-use biking / walking trail) that we are on is not yet too busy because it is early, but there are people out and about. We are keeping it below 20mph as is the rule on this trail and we slow anytime we pass a group.

Suddenly, a kid (14 years old) on an off-road electric dirt bike pulls onto the pavement from the grass side of the path without looking our way at all. He slams into the second bike of our four and you can just imagine what happens next. I was third in line so I slam into my teammate and the kid and the fourth slams into all of us.

Two out of our four bikes are wrecked and unrideable without serious maintenance and parts (yes, mine was one of them). I was wearing only a tank top and sport bra with biking shorts so my right leg, right arm, and shoulder were spewing blood from serious road rash. My teammate in the #2 position landed on her shoulder and definitely as serious soft tissue ouchies.

No broken bones, but lots of damaged equipment and skin. What kind of idiot puts their 14 year old on a vehicle capable of doing 40-50+ mph and then allows that 14 year old to take that illegal dirt bike onto a multi-use trail with a 20 mph speed limit. 🤦‍♀

As for my bike, I was in the market for a new one anyway so this is just accelerating my buying plans. But I'm going to need to walk into the lecture hall tomorrow looking like an Egyptian Mummy with all the bandages. And then will start the questions. 🤦‍♀🤦‍♀🤦‍♀
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RosaMarie · 46-50, F
Just tell them you're working out your Egyptian cos play costume.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
Make a printout of what you told us above, and when the questions start, hand out copies of the printout.

And am I right in guessing that the rotten kid wasn't hurt at all, and that his bike wasn't damaged? 🙄
sarabee1995 · 31-35, F
@Thinkerbell He was not hurt, but his bike took some cosmetic damage. Nothing that impeded his riding it home, but enough that he was fearing the coming conversatiqon.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@sarabee1995

He'll probably say, "I was riding quietly along, minding my own business, when some dumb girls made me run into them when they crossed the trail right in front of me without looking."
sarabee1995 · 31-35, F
@Thinkerbell Yup, you're probably right. 😤
Stephie · 22-25, F
Oh my, I realize how dangerous those tracks can be, doing some high speed cycling at times myself but drafting on an open track is particularly challenging.

Bikes can be replaced, flesh wounds can be fixed with time but the emotional part is the one that probably took the most serious beating because you will always remember this moment next time you are doing some drafting in an open space.

I wish you and your team mates prompt recovery.

Just think how much Egyptian mummies are admired by people. You may join them as a piece of walking art. Be safe!
sarabee1995 · 31-35, F
@Stephie Thanks Steph. And yes, we were well aware that drafting on a public multi-use trail was "risky". But we kept the speed low (thank goodness!) and slowed anytime we passed people.

He and his friends were all hanging off to the right of the trail but per our habit we slowed approaching them (we all had earpieces & microphones in our helmets so we could alert each other iyf things coming). At the time of the impact, we were doing 14.2 mph (23 km/hr). 🤷‍♀
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
It works both ways though. There's a mountain road here that no bicycles should be allowed on.

It's just too dangerous, especially going up, yet cyclists still ride it. 🫤

Even worse, even semi-trucks. They are working on that though. Because the semi-trucks tear up the road.

The locals on that road are making both an issue. Too many deaths. 😞
sarabee1995 · 31-35, F
@DeWayfarer Situational awareness and caution by all is the answer.
ninalanyon · 70-79, T
Does the child have insurance?

Here in Norway all users of motorised vehicles capable of more than 6 kph without pedalling (about 4 mph) must have insurance (ansvarsforsikring, literally responsibility insurance).

And bikes with electric assistance must be limited to, I think, 20 kph.
sarabee1995 · 31-35, F
@ninalanyon We don't know. We were too annoyed to stick around and find out. I doubt very much that he would've had insurance. And if he had insurance, it likely wouldn't have covered the incident because it was not legal to be on the path. Damages would've been directly his (and therefore his parent's) responsibility.

The kind of bike he had was not legal on any street, sidewalk, or bike path. It was a dirt bike intended only for off-road use.

And, yes, I believe you're right about the 20kph limit in most of Europe. Here most bike paths carry a 20mph limit which is a bit faster, but still reasonable. In this case though, speed was not a factor. Stupidity was.
ninalanyon · 70-79, T
@sarabee1995 As far as I can tell here the insurance would pay out regardless of where the vehicle was used and the insurer would attempt to recover it from their customer. Also not having such insurance can attract pretty hefty fines as well as confiscation.

Anyway, I hope your scratches don't leave permanent marks!
sarabee1995 · 31-35, F
@ninalanyon Yeah, getting into the insurance discussion with another friend. Here in the US, illegal activity is generally not insurable. In other words, every insurance policy I've seen insures "all legal uses". So if he was an idiot on a dirt track and hurt someone, no problem. Legal use. Coverage applies. But take that dirt bike on a street, sidewalk, or bike path and all insurance coverages are null and void. This is my general understanding of insurance coverage in the US. I review property insurance coverage for our family business and every single policy includes that coverage exclusion for any loss that results from illegal activity.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
Incident show the utter stupidity and cowardince of the lout on the motorcyle - for that is what it is - and his parents who presumably bought it for him.

It also shows the stupidity of the policy that allowed electric motorcylces to be sold without eny registation as motor-vehicles, Road Fund Licence (even if low to encourage legal use of them as electric motor-vehicles) and compulsory Third Party Insurance.

In this case the rider could not possibly be insured, but even if he was he would not be covered for any loass or damage to himself because the collision was all his own, useless fault.

It's even possible although I think it is actually illegal, to modify electrically-assisted cylces to raise their low designed speed. It should be physically impossible to do that, and any attempt to do that, to sell or buy modification parts, made an offence with very high fines and (if the rider of such a vehicle causes an accident, unlimited costs.*


If I were a landscaping-contractor owning a large ride-on mower capable of maybe 10mph flat-out I would need it registered, taxed and insured to be able to drive it on public roads between sites.
If I owned a 1960s moped, managing little more than 30mph, it would be registered anyway and I'd need tax and insure its use on the road. If I were to build a large-scale miniature traction-engine (maybe 8mph at top speed), I'd need have it registered with DVLA and I'd need at least 3rd-party insurance to drive it in on the road.

So why the hell were electric bikes allowed from the start to be used un-registered, with the ownersahip of the vehicle for the time being registered as its "keeper"?



*(NB for non-UK readers. In the British legal system the types and levels of sentences and any compensation are set by the Magistrates or in Crown and Appeal Court trials the Judge, at the end of the trial, sometimes at a later hearing after time to consider background reports not trial evidence. Not called for by the victim or the prosecution in advance.)
KiwiBird · 36-40, F
Seriously illegal and modified E-Bikes need impounding and crushing asap. Actually not just illegal ones....costing out public health system millions. Should not be allowed on any footpath or pedestrian walkway or bicycle trail.

I hope you guys get restitution for damages.
sarabee1995 · 31-35, F
@KiwiBird I don't think any of their bikes were modified (but how would I know). They were "illegal" for the bike path because there are regulations in Rhode Island for what kind of eBikes are allowed on bike trails and it's only the most basic which these were not.

No police or emergency services were called because everyone got up and was able to walk away. As I said, I'm worried about one of my friends and her shoulder. She landed on it pretty hard. It wasn't broken or dislocated (I checked that on scene) but she had a lot of pain raising her arm.

But, no, without a police report there won't be any restitution. And like I said, I'm shopping for a new bike anyway. My front wheel was bent enough to be junk and it wouldn't even roll. The frame and forks appear to be fine. So a new wheel and my bike is sell-able.

The real annoyance was having to walk my bike back to the trail-head about seven miles with the front wheel in the air. 🙄
KiwiBird · 36-40, F
@sarabee1995 So the 14 yo walks away and his parents are none the wiser. Depending in the cost of bikes insurance would pay...but that would also require a police report.
sarabee1995 · 31-35, F
@KiwiBird Typically, here, if you have insurance on something like an electric dirt bike, it would be insured for use in the dirt ("insured for all legal purposes"). The policy would likely exclude any use on streets, sidewalks, or bike paths because such use is illegal. I don't think you can get insurance for illegal activities. Not sure though. I'm not an insurance expert.

I do know that the property insurance policies that I review specifically exclude coverage for any illegal activity. If a tenant opened a meth lab in the backroom of one of our units and blew the place up, we would have no insurance coverage. Illegal activity being non-insurable.
RosaMarie · 46-50, F
This is why I don't bike anymore. Had too many close calls and fellow riders hurt.
sarabee1995 · 31-35, F
@RosaMarie Yeah. We were training on the bike trail thinking it was safer than the road. 🙄
RosaMarie · 46-50, F
@sarabee1995 My boss, who was an avid rider, was coming down a hill and a car backed out of a driveway and into his path. That was the last time I rode more than casually at low speed. I figure for serious riders, it's more when than if.
Captainjackass · 31-35, M
His parents should be smacked.
sarabee1995 · 31-35, F
@Captainjackass I volunteer to do the smacking.
vetguy1991 · 51-55, M
Don't understand some people
sarabee1995 · 31-35, F
@vetguy1991 They likely just released him into the world without a care.

 
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