Would be odd for them to have their own division considering they are a minority group. I mean a tiny tiny percentage of the population. Just can't get enough special treatment can they
@Theyitis No I did not. It's irrelevant regardless. The topic is about whether it's fair for a MtoF trans athlete to compete in women's sports. And it's not. In any sporting event where size, speed or strength are key factors in winning, males have a distinct advantage over females. There are studies that have been completed and the biology is pretty simple. After a males goes through puberty, they produce far more testosterone than women leading to a skelatal and muscular structure that provides this advantage. Even if the athlete then decides to change gender and uses testosterone blockers and takes estrogen, they still have an inherent physical advantage of initial development. And the body of a MtoF trans athlete will still continue to produce more testosterone than that of a woman. If the participation of MtoF trans athletes continues to perpetuate itself in women's sports, then MtoF's will unfairly dominate in certain events. That's just science.
@Theyitis I am a fan of fair competition. I enjoy womens tennis for sure. Swimming in general not so much but fairness should still completely be in place.
@BohemianBoo Sounds absurd doesn't it? Twenty years ago letting men compete against women in certain sports would be laughed at. Now look what's happening in sports.
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yeah. thing is it's also unfair for men and women who competes. even in other things. sharing the restroom for instance. it makes me uncomfortable to have to share it with people in lgbtq community.
if some people want to be different and still fit in, i think there should be rules too that caters to every one's comfort.
people born as women and those born as men have different strengths. i support feminism (like in job opportunities and salaries and stuff) but there are just some things that are there by nature. trying to go against it will give advantage/disadvantage that could cause trouble in judging with fairness
@BohemianBoo i dont think they nor do i even care anymore to entertain your little charade. You can go sit at the childrens table and let the adults talk like a good boy
*sigh* This is incredibly frustrating and difficult. Caster Semenya an intersex woman is facing this challenge.
It's incredibly difficult to make this stick when you're in a minority. Because would it really be a fair competition?
All I can say is in the event that more transgendered/intersexed join sports and compete together in their own category, the stigma should go and the support from their community and allies will grow.
We now live in a low tolerance discrimination world, although in the past people may have worried about losing support and sponsorship you can't drop someone anymore without good reason.
@Mellowgirl I dont want any one to be excluded. I think their own division would be great and like you said, The hate would lessen for them and support would grow and grow. Activists like to say its transphobes and what not only fighting against this but that just is not true. Those same people also claim to support equal rights for women yet they will constantly put their rights at the back of the line for others they feel is more oppressed. It is the activists I feel that have caused so much hate, not trans people themselves and Their own division where women are left to have fair competition and trans people are not excluded. Its a win win
I dont think there is enough trans people to compete with each other. also the ones who play sports are far and few between.. so if that happens.. ill always win at my own event since i will be the only one playing..
