This guy is omniscient and knows exactly how God should think and act

@Pikachu "As an adult do you find appealing the rhetoric of just putting your hands up and saying " Werlll, i reckon god wurks in mysterious ways." ?"

No, but I've come to see a degree of humility in it. They'd be accepting that their intellect is limited and that they can't explain everything, and with how how heated and selfish and self-righteous debating anything has become these days, where everyone wants to paint everyone else as stupid and immoral, I think that takes a good level of maturity.

I've also come to take issue with the sentiment behind such claims "if god were real, his moral opinions would line up exactly with mine". That's egotistical and nonsense. I'm a limited being, I have the intellectual cognition to understand there are perspectives and facts outside of the limited awareness I've built from my birth to the day of this post.

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I don't think pointing out the problem of evil is only appealing to young people. It's one of the biggest problems that Christians face given their dogma that god is all powerful and loving."

i don't think the existence of evil disproves an all loving God at all. "Evil" requires intent, and intent requires agency. If humans use their agency to do something evil, that doesn't make God not all loving. Taking away our agency would strip away that love, however.

"You trivialize the criticism by characterizing it as god needing to share the opinion of a limited human" that is a mirror of what i've just complained about "god can't exist because he doesn't share my limited moral opinions"

@Therealsteve


I might agree if the apparent goal was to remain civil instead of hand wave away difficult questions.
Certainly there is humility in acknowledging that a human can't know what a god knows...but when that same person is trying to make the claim that their god is good...well it quickly turns from humility to sophistry.


Which reinforces the special pleading nature of the excuses made for the things god does which by any recognizable measure are monstrous.
But if one begins from the position that god is great and one cannot think of a rational explanation for why eg> drowning all the babies on the planet is a chill thing to do, one ends up saying " I'm a limited being and his ways are higher than our ways" and in so doing, one ignores the issue entirely.


Oh but there's is plenty of evil perpetrated by god according to the bible: Commanding the murder of infants, endorsing sex slavery, using the rape of women as punishment to their husband, killing all the first born children in Egypt with the stated purpose of showing how big and strong he is....
There's a lot of heinous stuff that god does and in any other context you and i would agree that it was evil.
But when god does it, you're content to say "That's outside my limited awareness" and i am not.

It seems strange to me that one could believe that god gave us the tools to make moral judgements but that those tools should be abandoned when it becomes inconvenient.

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@MoveAlong Just because a (theoretical) god is omnipotent and omniscient, doesnt mean hes a nice guy..😷

@whowasthatmaskedman True, I probably should have qualified that and asked why would a loving, caring omniscient and omnipotent God create imperfect beings then punish them for b being imperfect.