The 2 Timothy debate

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As a woman of God I am constantly having this debate with men who suggest that 2 Timothy was a message suggesting women do not speak on what goes on in church. 2 Timothy is a letter from the Apostle Paul to his protégé, Timothy, written around 64–67 AD while Paul was in prison. It’s Paul's final letter, filled with encouragement and warnings to remain faithful to the gospel. Paul urges Timothy to endure hardships, guard sound doctrine, and continue preaching despite the challenges, emphasizing the importance of Scripture and faithful leadership.

Paul’s instructions for women to be "quiet" in 2 Timothy and 1 Timothy were specifically aimed at addressing issues in churches like Ephesus, where false teachings, paganism, and witchcraft were spreading. Some women were promoting these disruptive ideas, and Paul’s guidance sought to prevent further disorder and protect the church from these harmful influences.

His concern wasn’t about silencing women in general, but maintaining sound doctrine and order in the church.God deliberately put Ester in the position. Esther 4:14, where Esther's decision to speak up and act ultimately saved her people from destruction. It shows that, sometimes, speaking out is essential to fulfilling God's will and protecting others, even when it challenges cultural norms.Remember that when the Pharisees were trying to accuse Jesus, they were trying to arrest him for healing on the Sabbath day to which Jesus reminded him I AM HEALING

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Adstar · 56-60, M

One either believes the Word of God or they don't.. Rejecting his Word and believing in a lie does not have a good eternal outcome..

(Revelation 22:13-16) "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. {14} Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. {15} For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. {16} I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

jehova · 31-35, M

@Adstar words written by humans as a retell of how they were told by someone as an account of what they either saw or what a third person testified to having had witnessed as recorded in a letter that next person received as a letter. A letter!
I swear on this third person's written account of events someone millenia ago attests to having happened. On that i swear to tell the truth. Oh and dont forget to drop a few pennies in the change plate for that bread and wine we gave you.

Adstar · 56-60, M

@jehova Believe what you believe.. Reject what you reject.. In the end you will be judged by what you embraced and rejected.. Woe to those who have rejected the truth but have embraced lies..

jehova · 31-35, M

@Adstar apparently that isnt true for the u s. President; definitely not yet. So im betting it is also empty threats to elicit compliance. Dont you think for yourself?, ever.

jehova · 31-35, M

@Adstar also who is doing the judging? Every traditions speaks to an accumulation of karma. Reject accept deny. Its how u act!, what you do. Ive done my best to improve the situation im in and reality as a whole. Ill be fine, regardless of what i do or dont believe. Will you?

Adstar · 56-60, M

@jehova I don't care about the US or it's president in regards to God and His will.. Your linking the two indicates your lack of understanding that they are two different issues..

Yes i do think and i thought about the message of God and i accepted it and adopted His Way for me to reconcile with Him and have eternal life with Him..

The LORD is doing the judging and will preside over the final judgement.. Karma is not a Christian belief so no Christianity does not speak to an accumulation of karma..

No you will not ""be fine"" if you end up in torment in the eternal Lake of Fire..

jehova · 31-35, M

@Adstar whilst the u.s. political situation indeed has nothing to do with the "word of GOD". The politics of the vatican has much to do with the many edits to those words over the years. Humans morphed the original message of that book.
Again its a book written by humans. A collection of letters BTW compiled and interpretted unendingly. Indeed there are so many sects, difference in interpretations, translation, and internal squabbles over meaning, intent, implication, and often misunderstanding. The content\alteration of hearsay continues, by men in the various councils over 2 millenia that i cannot personally take any of it seriously.
Is that a direct quote? What does it matter it was 2,000 years ago originally in arameic (now a dead language). Written by a speaker of hebrew; later translated into latin, and eventually from latin into some other language to be read and intepretted prior to being transcribed after much debate.
It is unrecognizable from the original text!
Believe what you choose. Praise reality i don't have to.
After the first council of nicea in 325AD. The entire thing ceased being the "word of GOD" and became the "interpretation of man"
I accept that truth as a former catholic.
Grow up!

Adstar · 56-60, M

@jehova
@Adstar whilst the u.s. political situation indeed has nothing to do with the "word of GOD". The politics of the vaticain has much to do with the many edits to those words over the years. Humans morphed the original message of that book.

I am not a catholic.. I am a Christian.. In any case you have heard or read a report that the catholic church changed the Bible.. and YOU decided to believe that report because YOU wanted to believe that report.. Why because in your mind you wanted to reject the Word of God and confirmation bias made you latch onto the report that the Bible had been changed.. Woe to anyone who embraces an evil report.. Again in the end you will be judged on what you embraced as truth and what you rejected..

Again its a book written by humans.

Humans inspired by The Holy Spirit..

i cannot personally take any of it seriously.

You don't WANT to take it seriously because you disagree with the Message of God.. Something or some things in that scripture offends you, therefore you latch onto any report that attempts to undermine it's validity.. As i have said before Disagreement comes before Disbelief..

Is that a direct quote? What does it matter it was 2,000 years ago originally in arameic (now a dead language).

The Old testament was originally written in Hebrew.. The New testament in Greek..

After the first council of nicea in 325AD. The entire thing ceased being the "word of GOD" and became the "interpretation of man"

So you believe God is so weak and pathetic that he would allow His message to be sabotaged to the extent to make it of no salvational effect... That shows that you do not see God as being an Actual GOD.. You humanize God knocking Him down to limited human levels.. I know why your doing this because you want to reject His will.. So be it..

I accept that truth as a former catholic.
Grow up!

Well at lest we have one thing in common.. We are both former catholics.. But i grew up by actually reading the Word of God from the start of Genesis to the end of Revelation in my early 20's and The message as a whole moved me to accept The Word of God which is a title for Jesus.. 😁

All Praise The Ancient Of Days 👍

jehova · 31-35, M

@Adstar cant argue with that. Not worth the time either. Exterior to the book a mans place is to support the mother of his children. As such women should be respected as the ultinate authority in matters of children.