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OverTheHill · 61-69, M
I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit
and born of the virgin Mary.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to hell.
The third day he rose again from the dead.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty.
From there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic* church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.
*that is, the true Christian church of all times and all places
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit
and born of the virgin Mary.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to hell.
The third day he rose again from the dead.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty.
From there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic* church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.
*that is, the true Christian church of all times and all places
@OverTheHill Definitely. As a teen, we used to recite that creed in the Lutheran Church, but it never said the holy Catholic church. It did not say the Catholic Church is the true Christian church of all times and all places. And no...I'm not Lutheran. Haha - What makes you believe the Catholic church is the one true Christian Church? I see too many doctrines in it that are not in harmony with Bible teachings. The true church is the church that Jesus himself founded. Christian means "follower of Christ"; not a particular church to worship. Jesus said follow Me; not a particular denomination.
ImperialAerosolKidFromEP · 51-55, M
@LadyGrace because the holy Catholic church is different from the Roman Catholic church
OverTheHill · 61-69, M
@LadyGrace Catholic here is not representing the Roman Catholic, but rather the universal church.
"The word catholic literally means "universal," as in "the universal church." It originally was applied to all Christians because we are all part of the universal church in the way that we are all members of the Body of Christ. The Latin word is catholicus, and in Greek it is katholikos, from the Greek phrase meaning "on the whole, according to the whole or in general." The word in English can mean "including a wide variety of things; all-embracing," or "of the Roman Catholic faith," or "relating to the historic doctrine and practice of the Western Church.”
"The word catholic literally means "universal," as in "the universal church." It originally was applied to all Christians because we are all part of the universal church in the way that we are all members of the Body of Christ. The Latin word is catholicus, and in Greek it is katholikos, from the Greek phrase meaning "on the whole, according to the whole or in general." The word in English can mean "including a wide variety of things; all-embracing," or "of the Roman Catholic faith," or "relating to the historic doctrine and practice of the Western Church.”
@OverTheHill @ImperialAerosolKidFromEP That would be like me claiming the Baptist Church or the Lutheran Church was the universal church, and that's not true. Let's look at what God calls the universal church. That's what counts. According to biblical teachings, the universal church encompasses all true believers in Jesus Christ worldwide, forming a spiritual body or assembly, rather than a physical structure or denomination.
The term "church" (ekklesia) in the New Testament, refers to an "assembly" or "gathered people," and the universal church is understood as the gathering of all believers, both past, present, and future, who belong to Christ.
The universal church is not a building or a specific denomination, but rather a spiritual entity comprised of all those who have placed their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. The universal church is described as the body of Christ, with all believers being members, united by the Holy Spirit.
Local churches are seen as expressions of the universal church, where believers gather to worship, fellowship, and serve together. Key Verses are: 1 Corinthians 12:13: "For we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another."
Ephesians 1:22-23: "And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be the head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all."
The term "church" (ekklesia) in the New Testament, refers to an "assembly" or "gathered people," and the universal church is understood as the gathering of all believers, both past, present, and future, who belong to Christ.
The universal church is not a building or a specific denomination, but rather a spiritual entity comprised of all those who have placed their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. The universal church is described as the body of Christ, with all believers being members, united by the Holy Spirit.
Local churches are seen as expressions of the universal church, where believers gather to worship, fellowship, and serve together. Key Verses are: 1 Corinthians 12:13: "For we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another."
Ephesians 1:22-23: "And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be the head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all."