Would you need the Bible if Jesus was physically present with you?

@akindheart That's really a sensible way to see it.

@akindheart [quote]I am not convinced that the Bible is true word because of all the translations and the years that have passed but i use it to guide me and it is a great story. enough is true for me to believe it is the word of God.[/quote]

You say you're not convinced that the Bible is the true word, but then you go on later to say "it's true enough for me to believe it is the word of God." It's either true or not true, the whole of it. It can't be both. The Lord wants us to believe all of it or none of it at all.

We can believe God's Word to be pure and true, as He would do not have given it to us flawed. More importantly, God is perfect and sinless. He is also no liar, so we can believe every word He says. The problem comes from people's [b]misinterpretation[/b] of God's word, and then they say it is flawed. If we can't believe all of it, then we can't claim we believe God and take Him at His word, because God's Word is literally "God-breathed". The word "inspire" comes from a Latin word which means to [u]breathe on, or breathe in[/u]. The Bible is inspired, in the sense that God did not entrust His Holy Word to just anyone. The Bible says that the Word was inspired by the [b]Holy Spirit[/b], [b]giving HOLY men, what to write, who were "inbreathed" by the Holy Spirit. [/b]

The Bible is not flawed. [b]Edited[/b], yes, a [u]few[/u] minimal changes today, but never enough to change the message God wanted to desperately get out to mankind....that being how to be saved and get to heaven. Not you....but some people try to pick apart the Bible and disbelieve God, but they should realize that the most important thing to concentrate on, is its crucial message....how to get to heaven. If we miss that, we've missed everything.

"[b]All[/b] scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable (to man) for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness; that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished (equipped) unto all good works." II Timothy 3:16-17. That's 2nd Timothy, chapter three, verses 16-17:

"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man; but [b]holy[/b] men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost". II Peter 1:21.

The Bible is the eternal, unchangeable, and [b]infallible[/b] (incapable of making mistakes or being wrong) Word of God.

The Bible is not so revised/edited, that God's purpose and intent in giving us His Word, has been destroyed. Jesus said this world shall pass away, but His words shall never pass away. The main focus is how to have salvation in Christ, so we don't miss heaven. As I mentioned, if we miss that message, we have missed everything.

@LadyGrace sorry. i don't agree. there are missing books and a lot of human compilation. I will take it for what it is -and take what i can from it to help me into the Kingdom.

@akindheart Missing books don't make it inaccurate though. And as I mentioned, it's not been edited so much that it changed His Word altogether. The central message is still there and exactly as God would have it. The little thee's and thou's that some have changed, have not made the word imperfect. Did you know that in Revelation God said that any who alters His Word, shall be cursed? He's talking about major altering. I tend to think that it's only natural that some books were lost as it came down through history but the Bible is still one book we can always trust and count on to tell us the truth and save our souls. ❤️🤗

@LadyGrace we don't know that. we weren't present when it was written and i am not positive of all the translations regardless of the thees and thous.

@akindheart we don't know what? Well we do know that it was a good thing that the Bible was translated into different languages so everyone could enjoy it.

@akindheart We can talk about Bart Ehrman and the Council of Nicea until the day ends.

The point is this is clearly an issue of trusting God's sovereignty. Why would God not provide us with all the books of the Bible?

@akindheart That's what Satan and agents of Satan want you to believe about Bible. I confirm that Only Bible is the Holy book of God.

But I won't force anyone to read it again because a soul should never be forced.

@BritishFailedAesthetic [quote]The point is this is clearly an issue of trusting God's sovereignty.[/quote]

Exactly! The Bible is much more than just a great story. We either believe it all, or not at all. God does not want half our heart and trust.

@akindheart Satanists are playing with your mind and filling it with hay.

@akindheart you can save your soul right now or you will not be able to even repent. Just told you the truth as a fellow human being, seeing you in so much doubt

@JackdanielsA noooooo. i am saved. i go to church every Sunday. find another person to save. thanks

@akindheart You are saved but you don't believe in the whole Bible?
Going to church doesn't make one a Christian, any more than going to the zoo makes one a monkey.

@LadyGrace yes you sure proved that sentence. I report to one person and one person only. It's not you. have a great day.

@akindheart It is you that proved what you really believe. You cannot believe in half the Bible and claim to believe God. That's like giving half your heart to God and there are many people who believe that just by going to church they are saved but they are wrong, according to God's word. Why do people think they can just believe in only parts of the Bible that suit them? That's like calling God a liar. That's like saying you don't trust God on all things that He wrote and gave us in His Word. But you believe God's word to be flawed and it's not. Besides God telling us that the scripture was given under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit himself, the Bible has testimony from people who were eyewitnesses of the events they recorded; eyewitness testimony is key to determining truth. Scripture in the original manuscripts does not affirm anything that is contrary to fact. Just because it was translated into other languages or that books were lost, in no way, deems the Holy Word of God, inaccurate. Only man's flawed interpretation and understanding of it, is wrong. If we cannot give God our complete trust, that's not really trusting God.

Jesus declares that Scripture cannot be broken (John 10:35).
Jesus calls the Old Testament “the commandment of God” (Matthew 15:3).
Jesus refers to Scripture as “the Word of God” (Mark 7:13).

The Psalms elevate the Word of God and clearly state that the Old Testament writings are a sacred treasure. Psalm 19 is a good example. After joyfully declaring the revelatory power of nature in verses 1-6, the Psalmist moves on to describe the perfection of the written word, with its commands, ordinances, and precepts:

The law [Hebrew, Torah] of the LORD is perfect, reviving the soul; the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple; the precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes; the fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; the rules of the LORD are true, and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, even much fine gold; sweeter also than honey and drippings of the honeycomb. Moreover, in keeping them there is great reward. (Ps. 19:7-11)

The New Testament writers confirm the Old Testament’s claim to be the very Word of God. Repeatedly, the New Testament refers to Old Testament texts, its laws, its claims, and its stories, as the actual Word of God. Indeed, the entire New Testament is openly built upon the Old Testament. Followers of Christ saw themselves as the legitimate heirs of the Word of God recorded in the Hebrew Scriptures.

@akindheart It was Jesus who said:

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matt. 5:17-19)

When theological progressives belittle the written Scriptures, Jesus literally says that they are least in the kingdom of God.

Anyone who follows Jesus will be a person of the Bible, too.

To reject the authority of Scripture, whether explicitly like many progressives do, or by explaining it away like other progressives do, is to reject Jesus. If you follow Jesus, you will accept what he says about the Bible.

@LadyGrace there is also this saying i am sure you can quote: Judge not, lest ye be judged. I take that toheart and i think you should too. i am entitled to my opinion whether you agree or not.

@akindheart The judging part is based on appearences, etc. Not about trusing God.

@BritishFailedAesthetic i think it refers to judging in general. of course since you are such a theologian, let me ask you this....how often do you go to church?

@akindheart There you go assuming again. There's no judging when you read a person's flat out statements that they don't follow nor believe in the whole word of God. I think you should take that to heart too. I know you're entitled to your opinion, and when you post here it's common practice for others to reply, but no one ever said you weren't entitled to your opinion. Get it straight. I was only replying to your comment because it was such an oxymoron. First you said one thing and then said another. It can't be both ways.

@LadyGrace i guess we can go on and on. i don't agree with you and that is that. I will not clarify it again. and to be quite honest, i don't consider SW , you or British to be absolute authorities on God or my relationship with him.

@akindheart Nobody said we were. It's okay to question people when they make contradictory statements about the Bible. Your love relationship with God, no one is doubting. I was simply trying to point out that if we're going to believe God, He wants us to believe His whole word.

@akindheart [quote] since you are such a theologian, [/quote]

No, God has just given me a new passion I never had before, look I'll be honest and say something I shouldn't because you think I'm bragging , I'm a Calvinist and know without God's interference I wouldn't even be interested in him.

[quote] this....how often do you go to church? [/quote]

Sundays and I go to a Wednesday bible study, the Wednesday bible study has greatly improved my zeal.

@BritishFailedAesthetic @akindheart [quote]this....how often do you go to church?[/quote]

Please tell me what that has to do with anything? There are people that go to church every Sunday, but they're not necessarily followers of Christ because they live like the devil the rest of the week and they go only so that they can feel like if they go to church, then that means they're saved. Not all, but some. And that's because some believe that going to church saves them. The Bible says it does not. We cannot work or on our way to heaven.

@LadyGrace To clarify Calvinist in how we get saved only.

Humans do have free will.