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OogieBoogie · F
Because god supoosedly created everything.....including the demons .
Remember, he is supoosed to omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent.....the god of all things .
Its just a flow of reasoning .🤷♀️
Remember, he is supoosed to omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent.....the god of all things .
Its just a flow of reasoning .🤷♀️
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Lichocolati · 31-35, F
@OogieBoogie He gave free will to humans, animals and even demons. It's people's choices that have made the world what it is.
OogieBoogie · F
@Lichocolati ah, but supoosedly he already knows what , where and when that free will , will lead .
He gave us free will fore-knowing the choices we would make .
He knew Eve would tempt Adam to take the apple, that we would fall to his temptations.
Is it free will when its already preordained what will happen by an omnipotent being ?
If i place food at the end of a maze for a rat , is it free will, that he finds it , or is it my design?
He gave us free will fore-knowing the choices we would make .
He knew Eve would tempt Adam to take the apple, that we would fall to his temptations.
Is it free will when its already preordained what will happen by an omnipotent being ?
If i place food at the end of a maze for a rat , is it free will, that he finds it , or is it my design?
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Lichocolati · 31-35, F
@OogieBoogie If you know you know. You can't be blamed for being all knowing. If you mess up then you got to face the consequences. There's no way around it. An action has a reaction.
Lichocolati · 31-35, F
@Emosaur I agree with @DffrntDrmmr
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OogieBoogie · F
@Lichocolati well thats kinda my point . If god is all knowing and made all things , and knows all of what is going to happen, then, like you said , every action has a reaction. He has to face the comsequences .
But what does anyone really know of god ? Discussing this is kinda like asking ants , why is humans do the things we do.
We dont know.
Personally i think people frequently blame anything else but themselves, as Its hard to accountable. 🤷♀️
But what does anyone really know of god ? Discussing this is kinda like asking ants , why is humans do the things we do.
We dont know.
Personally i think people frequently blame anything else but themselves, as Its hard to accountable. 🤷♀️
Lichocolati · 31-35, F
@OogieBoogie Thing is if people take responsibility for their actions they'll need to start doing selfless acts and many would rather the world be in this state than give up their selfish desires.
OogieBoogie · F
@Lichocolati i think its to each their own . Some are selfish, some are very giving.
You cant change a persons heart , only they can do that. 🤷♀️
You cant change a persons heart , only they can do that. 🤷♀️
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DocSavage · M
@Lichocolati
I said this before , but the more you describe god, the less sense it makes.
God gave us free will ? Then he can’t be in control, and he has no set plan for humanity. Good and evil serve as perspectives. You’re assuming god has some noble agenda in mind. Free will would automatically create evil, or an opposing point of view. If he can foresee the ultimate end of his plan, why not simply incorporate it into creation in the first place ? Time has no meaning to the eternal after all.
The only way god makes any practical sense is that he set things in motion, then stepped back and watched what happens.
I said this before , but the more you describe god, the less sense it makes.
God gave us free will ? Then he can’t be in control, and he has no set plan for humanity. Good and evil serve as perspectives. You’re assuming god has some noble agenda in mind. Free will would automatically create evil, or an opposing point of view. If he can foresee the ultimate end of his plan, why not simply incorporate it into creation in the first place ? Time has no meaning to the eternal after all.
The only way god makes any practical sense is that he set things in motion, then stepped back and watched what happens.
Lichocolati · 31-35, F
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DocSavage · M
@Lichocolati
That’s where you’re wrong. As an Atheist, I don’t believe god exist, nor for that matter demons.
Neither therefore have the power to influence the material world. You blame demons, others blame god.
There is such a thing as random chance. And there’s also human endeavor.
That’s where you’re wrong. As an Atheist, I don’t believe god exist, nor for that matter demons.
Neither therefore have the power to influence the material world. You blame demons, others blame god.
There is such a thing as random chance. And there’s also human endeavor.
DocSavage · M
@Lichocolati
That’s very untrue. You seem to believe that people can’t do both. There are many wealthy people, who obtained that wealth by selfish means, and then used that wealth for unselfish deeds. You give your god far too much credit, and the human spirit far too little.
That’s very untrue. You seem to believe that people can’t do both. There are many wealthy people, who obtained that wealth by selfish means, and then used that wealth for unselfish deeds. You give your god far too much credit, and the human spirit far too little.
Lichocolati · 31-35, F
DocSavage · M
@Lichocolati
So will I. Fantasy and delusion.
So will I. Fantasy and delusion.
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Sharon · F
@OogieBoogie
but supoosedly he already knows what ,
It's seems strange than an omniscient god failed to foresee the events in the Garden of Eden. Silly error like that suggests the whole story is just made up bullshit.
Sharon · F
@OogieBoogie
But what does anyone really know of god ?
As it's all in the mind, "god" is whatever the individual believer wants it to be.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Sharon
The King of Tyre was also in the Garden of Eden. He also got kicked out.
It's seems strange than an omniscient god failed to foresee the events in the Garden of Eden. Silly error like that suggests the whole story is just made up bullshit.
The King of Tyre was also in the Garden of Eden. He also got kicked out.
OogieBoogie · F
@Emosaur i never mentioned anything about 'my "god"'.
Im speaking theoretically considering the question.
I feel, as humans, we know very little about 'gods'. All i can go on is the things i have read , philosophy and what people speak of when they talk of trancendence, and science theories about physics and dimensions.🤷♀️
Im speaking theoretically considering the question.
I feel, as humans, we know very little about 'gods'. All i can go on is the things i have read , philosophy and what people speak of when they talk of trancendence, and science theories about physics and dimensions.🤷♀️
OogieBoogie · F
@Sharon my point was literal: he already knew what would happen.
And besides , the garden of eden thing is more likely a metaphorical thing. Perhaps mankind was given knowledge by the 'snake'.
Creationistic stories are very interesting, and many follow a similar theme .
The interesting thing about Christianity is, thr snake is a symbol of evil . Yet in many cultures its not , its a symbol of eternal life, or cycles ....and wisdom, which is a cowinkydink .
But back to 'god' . The bible mentions 'Elohim' in genesis. The elohim created ...everything.
Thing is , elohim is a plural word for el, or eloah.
So maybe , there wasnt just one god?
Maybe one god, (or gods) wanted man to be smart and the other god, (or gods) didnt.🤷♀️
And besides , the garden of eden thing is more likely a metaphorical thing. Perhaps mankind was given knowledge by the 'snake'.
Creationistic stories are very interesting, and many follow a similar theme .
The interesting thing about Christianity is, thr snake is a symbol of evil . Yet in many cultures its not , its a symbol of eternal life, or cycles ....and wisdom, which is a cowinkydink .
But back to 'god' . The bible mentions 'Elohim' in genesis. The elohim created ...everything.
Thing is , elohim is a plural word for el, or eloah.
So maybe , there wasnt just one god?
Maybe one god, (or gods) wanted man to be smart and the other god, (or gods) didnt.🤷♀️
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