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John Lennox on Faith

“Faith is not a leap in the dark; it’s the exact opposite. It’s a commitment based on evidence… It is irrational to reduce all faith to blind faith and then subject it to ridicule. That provides a very anti-intellectual and convenient way of avoiding intelligent discussion.”
Professor John Lennox

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DocSavage · M

Faith is not a leap in the dark; it’s the exact opposite. It’s a commitment based on evidence

Neither is Atheism. It’s based on evidence, reason, and probability. Belief in a god is not mandatory.
We can expose Genesis for the myth it is. Creation is no longer evidence of a creator. You’re still buying into the afterlife. You keep your faith, in the hope that there’s something better after you shuffle off this mortal coil.
Where is the evidence of this spirit world ? We’ve already talked about creation, I’m willing to call it a draw. But the rest of the story is where your evidence falls short. We live in a material universe. Spiritual beings don’t. Are we just supposed to accept that part on blind faith ?

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Mathers · 61-69

There is no evidence for atheism.
The evidence for atheism is that nothing created something and chaos created order which is completely unsupported.
Atheism is blind faith@DocSavage

DocSavage · M

@Mathers god came from nothing as well chuckles, will all his super powers and grand design. Remember ?
Atheist don’t believe that something came from nothing. We believe that the universe expanded in the Big Bang, in to its current state. The process is natural and no god is needed. Gods were manufactured by primitives to make the impossible, possible.
You’re just adding an extra step to the equation, because you want the afterlife the Bible promises. Already explained that to yrger/chunkhead.

Mathers · 61-69

Don’t you ever listen to anything anybody says? No wonder you’re totally up the creek in your thinking. God is not made he is eternal. You are totally wrong in everything you think@DocSavage

DocSavage · M

@Mathers
So, in other words. You just have nothing to offer except Bible verses and blind faith..
Like all Christians, your all talk. Than when asked for evidence. It’s evasion.

DocSavage · M

@Mathers
There have been thousands of gods throughout history. None have been shown to be real, and all have been shown to be man made.

Mathers · 61-69

That is no argument whatsoever.

Edison made thousands of lightbulbs before he found one that was real@DocSavage

DocSavage · M

@Mathers
It shows they’re all man made. Doesn’t make it real. And you need the real thing, I don’t

Mathers · 61-69

Exactly! I found reality. You haven’t sadly! @DocSavage

Lynda70 · F

@Mathers LOL! You're completely out of touch with reality.

Mathers · 61-69

Sorry but I found reality. I’m afraid you’re totally deluded. Only fools say in their heart there is no God. They’ve been saying it for thousands of years@Lynda70

Lynda70 · F

@Mathers Childish insults as usual. As others have said, that's all you christians have to offer. :(

DocSavage · M

@Mathers
And only idiots believe blindly, with no evidence, and against all evidence.

Mathers · 61-69

Well you you believe blindly so what does that leave you? 😀@DocSavage

DocSavage · M

@Mathers
I don’t believe at all. I stated at the beginning that I don’t even believe Jesus was real. You yourself stated that Genesis, and Exodus are metaphors, not to be taken at face value. We already discussed the accuracy of the gospels. You’re the one desperate for the resurrection to be real, I already made it clear I don’t care. As far as it goes, just another metaphor, just like the rest of the bible.

Mathers · 61-69

Then you have based your beliefs on total misinformation. Jesus was real. No one but a complete fool believes that Jesus was not a real person . You obviously don’t read what people say as I did not say that Genesis and Exodus a metaphor was not to be taken at face value. We have discussed the accuracy of the gospels and archaeology has revealed the gospels to be accurate histories as far as the cultural history of the land goes. Your problem is you base your whole arguments on uninformed prejudice. @DocSavage

Lynda70 · F

@Mathers

Jesus was real.

There is no evidence the biblical Jesus ever existed. Just a few stories in a book of myths written at lease several decades after he is said to have lived.

BTW. Stupid, childish, insults are not valid substitutes for evidence.

Mathers · 61-69

No evidence that Julius Caesar existed either I suppose. Because you are completely ignorant don’t expect us all to be. It is not an insult to say you are ignorant because you are. What’s more you seem to enjoy parading the ignorance you have cribbed from others online. @Lynda70

Lynda70 · F

@Mathers

No evidence that Julius Caesar existed either I suppose.

There is plenty of evidence of Julius Caesar, from several independent sources. This may help you understand better - https://www.jesusneverexisted.com/exist.html

BTW, you're an arrogant idiot. That's not an insult either because you are, as you repeatedly demonstrate.

DocSavage · M

@Mathers
Have you ever read anything other than the Bible ?

Mathers · 61-69

YesI’ve got degrees up to Masters level in history and science. What about you?@DocSavage

Mathers · 61-69

I think you’re find there’s thousands of sources of reference to Jesus..
by the way You are extremely naive and gullible and uneducated if you believe that site. It is written By fools. No one not even Richard Dawkins would be stupid enough to say that Jesus didn’t exist@Lynda70

Lynda70 · F

@Mathers

I think you’re find there’s thousands of sources of reference to Jesus..

I know you're wrong about that. Why don't you try to prove me wrong by referencing some of thoses sources you claim exist?

I don't need to believe https://www.jesusneverexisted.com/exist.html , I can go to the verified sources it references.

Incidentally, I'm better educated than you claim to be.

Mathers · 61-69

You are not. The fact you believe a website like that proves your ignorance. No educated person - even an atheist - would fall for that sort of tripe. You are self-deluded. I feel sorry for people like you, I honestly do. Bet you believe Meghan and Harry too! @Lynda70

Lynda70 · F

@Mathers Believe what you like. The fact remains that, even if you do have masters degrees in (some unspecified) science and history (which I seriously doubt), I'm still better educated than you.

Unlike you, I don't need to flaunt my qualifications because my arguments can stand on their own merit.

Mathers · 61-69

But you have made no arguments and you are completely incredible. You are the living example of Chesterton’s comment that when people cease to believe in God they don’t believe in nothing they believe anything! So we’ll done! Keep up the blather! Chesterton is chuckling! 😀 @Lynda70

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