John Lennox on Faith

Sadly your definition of ‘faith’ is wrong - at least as far as the Christian faith is concerned. There may be no ultimate proof (as is the case for most things outside of mathematics) but that doesn’t mean to say that there is not firm evidence. Your definition is made in the simplistic assumption that all faith is blind and of course it is not. @NorthernBear

@Mathers
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You don't need to be so defensive about having faith. Faith isn't a bad thing, even when using the actual definition. It's just a part of life, and quite frankly I don't think we can live our lives without it. Like Lou Reed said, "You need a busload of faith to get by."

The problem is you have missed the point. People think the faith is something without evidence and obviously the Christian faith is not without evidence. Atheism is blind faith as it has no evidence and just depends on worldview . You do need a busload of faith to be an atheist@NorthernBear

@Mathers It that were true, christians would be able to present that evidence. The fact is they can't because it doesn't exist. All they do is keep repeating the claim that they have evidence hoping gullible fools will believe them.

Atheism doesn't need evidence as it is simply an absence of belief in mythical being,s it doesn't attempt to prove anything.

There is plenty of evidence, historical evidence. The fact that people like you go around with your eyes closed does not mean there is no evidence@rob19

@Mathers So you and your fellow christians keep saying but you never present any of it, just speculation and unsupported opinion. If such evidence really exists, let's see it.

@rob19 you're caught in an endless loop, which is precisely why I chose not to continue engaging. Remember what Mark Twain said about arguing with a fool

Do some reading:


@rob19

@Mathers a white Jesus holding what appears to be an American flag?

I see you are not a serious person so why are you arguing?@NorthernBear

@Mathers You're clearly not serious. I get the impression you're just trolling. Nothing you say makes any sense.

BTW, Surely you know Wright is a christian propagadist. His "evidence" is just worthless propaganda.

So Dawkins is not an anti-Christian propagandist? Come on, he’s built his fortune on convincing peopke like you to believe him. Similarly with Hitchens and the other new atheists. You are so easily taken in. Read Dawkins God by Alusaire McGrath to get some balance@rob19

@Mathers Richard Dawkins presents evidence and reasoned argument based on that evidence. He receives a lot of hate mail from christian apologists as a result. A few christians have tried to debunk him but just make themselve look foolish. I have read Dawkins' God... by Alister McGrath (I presume that's who you mean). I borrowed it from the library, I wasn't going to waste good money on christian propaganda. It's good for a laugh but not much else.

Dawkins does not present evidence and reasoned argument. He presents prejudice which of course suits people like yourself. The fact is that we know people who have read Dawkins and have become Christians after as they realise how peurile the arguments are@rob19

@Mathers So you either haven't read or didn't understand him.

I perfectly well understand them. The problem is he doesn’t understand the nature of faith @rob19

@Mathers He understands the idea of faith very well. That's clear from his books. He knows how much damage faith can cause.

Well he understands it as much as you do which is zero. What he doesn’t understand is the damage atheism can cause@rob19

@Mathers When has Atheism, per se ever been the reason for wars and oppression? You have no idea what you're rambling on about.

Well Marxism which is based on atheism has killed an estimated 100 million people this last hundred years or so@rob19

@Mathers Marxism is a critique of Capitalism and lead to economic theories. Not much to do with Atheism 🤦‍♀️

You are very naive. Marxism is atheism at its route@PrincessOfHell

@Mathers I don't deny that Marx was an Atheist but you have to be very stupid and like in your case can't have read anyzhing from Marx to make such a statement. It's an economic theory. You think Capitalism is tied to religion then?

@Mathers So not Atheism per se. Not all Marxists are necessarily Atheists and only a few Atheist are Marxists.

Of course not. Mark said that religion is the opiates of the people and all of his adherents have followed that creed@PrincessOfHell