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ABCDEF7 · M
AI is not a being having consciousness as humans do. AI can understand emotions but can't feel/live the emotions. Lining beings and AI are incomparable.
ABCDEF7 · M
@Pikachu AI systems use pattern matching to simulate learning, but they don't have the ability to link references to conscious experiences.
Subjective experience
AI systems operate through algorithms and data processing, which lacks the subjective experience that characterizes human consciousness.
Embodied experiences
AI systems don't have the embodied experiences or neural mechanisms that humans have. For example, current AI architectures lack essential features of the thalamocortical system, which is vital for mammalian conscious awareness.
Physical structure
Integrated information theory (IIT) proposes that a system's consciousness depends on the details of its physical structure. According to IIT, conventional computer systems, like current AI, can't be conscious because they don't have the right causal structure.
Some say that AI will never be conscious because it can't experience the dynamic aspect of life, like time, that humans do.
Sources:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/10/16/1081149/ai-consciousness-conundrum/#:~:text=Other%20theories%20tie%20consciousness%20more,it%20has%20gotten%20outsize%20attention.)
https://neurosciencenews.com/ai-consciousness-neuroscience-25108/#:~:text=They%20argue%20that%20these%20systems,adaptable%20than%20AI's%20coded%20neurons.
https://www.morphcast.com/blog/artificial-consciousness-impossible/#:~:text=Why%20is%20AI%20as%20we,the%20underlying%20context%20or%20meaning.
https://www.earth.com/news/machines-and-consciousness-are-ai-systems-really-awake/#:~:text=about%20anytime%20soon.-,Current%20state%20of%20AI,consciousness%20in%20any%20human%20sense.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sense-of-time/202408/a-question-of-time-why-ai-will-never-be-conscious#:~:text=We%20are%20inseparably%20part%20of%20the%20world%20with%20its%20temporality.&text=This%20dynamic%20aspect%20of%20life,to%20play%20chess%20with%20us.
Subjective experience
AI systems operate through algorithms and data processing, which lacks the subjective experience that characterizes human consciousness.
Embodied experiences
AI systems don't have the embodied experiences or neural mechanisms that humans have. For example, current AI architectures lack essential features of the thalamocortical system, which is vital for mammalian conscious awareness.
Physical structure
Integrated information theory (IIT) proposes that a system's consciousness depends on the details of its physical structure. According to IIT, conventional computer systems, like current AI, can't be conscious because they don't have the right causal structure.
Some say that AI will never be conscious because it can't experience the dynamic aspect of life, like time, that humans do.
Sources:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/10/16/1081149/ai-consciousness-conundrum/#:~:text=Other%20theories%20tie%20consciousness%20more,it%20has%20gotten%20outsize%20attention.)
https://neurosciencenews.com/ai-consciousness-neuroscience-25108/#:~:text=They%20argue%20that%20these%20systems,adaptable%20than%20AI's%20coded%20neurons.
https://www.morphcast.com/blog/artificial-consciousness-impossible/#:~:text=Why%20is%20AI%20as%20we,the%20underlying%20context%20or%20meaning.
https://www.earth.com/news/machines-and-consciousness-are-ai-systems-really-awake/#:~:text=about%20anytime%20soon.-,Current%20state%20of%20AI,consciousness%20in%20any%20human%20sense.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sense-of-time/202408/a-question-of-time-why-ai-will-never-be-conscious#:~:text=We%20are%20inseparably%20part%20of%20the%20world%20with%20its%20temporality.&text=This%20dynamic%20aspect%20of%20life,to%20play%20chess%20with%20us.
@ABCDEF7
It seems to me that you're getting caught up in describing current AI technology rather than engaging with the hypothetical we are exploring here.
I don't know how many of the characters pictured above you are familiar with but they are not AI as we use the term today in real life.
Why couldn't an AI experience something that affects them the same way emotions effect us?
That's just chemical reactions after all.
It seems to me that you're getting caught up in describing current AI technology rather than engaging with the hypothetical we are exploring here.
I don't know how many of the characters pictured above you are familiar with but they are not AI as we use the term today in real life.
Why couldn't an AI experience something that affects them the same way emotions effect us?
That's just chemical reactions after all.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@ABCDEF7 First off probably because of marketing you are confusing machine learning with AI.
Despite the marketing material they are not the same.
That aside. If we do create a real synthetic intelligence there is absolutely nothing that magically makes our flesh and bone machine magical that such things could not exist with a mechanical or electronic based life form.
Despite the marketing material they are not the same.
That aside. If we do create a real synthetic intelligence there is absolutely nothing that magically makes our flesh and bone machine magical that such things could not exist with a mechanical or electronic based life form.
ABCDEF7 · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Lol.. When I said ML and AI are same? For your kind information I am a programmer, not a marketing personnel.
that magically makes our flesh and bone machine magical that such things could not exist ...
I don't believe in magics..
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@ABCDEF7 What you described was ML.
What the question is talking about is tech we probably would not see for a very long time.
I don't believe that anything makes a grey matter brain special to the point that no other life form with equal intelligence could exist from circuitry.
What the question is talking about is tech we probably would not see for a very long time.
I don't believe that anything makes a grey matter brain special to the point that no other life form with equal intelligence could exist from circuitry.
ABCDEF7 · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I didn't defined AI or ML specifically. I have gives sources of those statements about AI. But even they don't specifically define AI. I guess you are assuming things in your mind.
Intelligence and consciousness are two different things. Don't mix them.
Intelligence and consciousness are two different things. Don't mix them.