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We Know Who The Creator Is But Why Do The Skeptics Deny Him Who Lives Forever?

The Truth of God: We were made from dust in the image of our Creator. The Lie of the world: But in rebellion, our culture tells us that we are the creators now.

What is the connection between climate alarmism, abortion, and transgenderism? Or between feminism, critical race theory, and postmodernism? In fact, what is the connection between the whole host of anti-biblical social issues and philosophies we’re concerned about in modern America? When we consider all the ideologies and trends rising around us, it can be bewildering to work out what real problem lies behind it all.

The answer begins with an important truth about human beings, revealed in Genesis 2:7: “"The Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground."” That might seem like an obscure reference because when we answer the question “what is a human being?” we usually turn our minds to Genesis 1:27. There we learn that God created humans in his own image and likeness. This truth teaches us that men and women were made to reflect God’s glory in creation.

Yet being made in God’s image and likeness is only one truth. The other truth is this: we were made from dust.

This truth tells us that we are not gods. It tells us that we are only creatures—part of the stuff that God created. This humbling, constraining truth tells us that there are limits on how we can image, or reflect, God. We could image his holiness, and therefore his love, goodness, mercy, justice, truth, and so on. However, a whole other side of God’s nature is totally inaccessible to us, such as his infinity, omnipotence, self-existence, omniscience, and so on. God will always be the great and mighty Creator. We will always be his dependent and finite creatures.

Our world hates this truth. Remember, the serpent tempted Eve by falsely promising, “"You will be like God"” (Genesis 3:5). The first humans wanted something more than mere creatureliness. They wanted to be like the Creator himself. In Genesis 3, they tried to imitate his creation power by refusing to submit to his definition and deciding for themselves what was good and evil. They started acting as if they were God, with power over right and wrong.

This account captures something that connects the sins of our day. In so many cases, the basic problem is rebellion against God as Creator. Human beings are seeking to redefine what he has already defined by his creation power.

by Martyn Iles on December 17, 2023
Featured in Answers Magazine

More on this topic, next Sunday.

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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@BlueSkyKing

BlueSkyKing · M

@GodSpeed63 That is so clever! How can anyone identify the fake? Shows us because you have an agenda, it means you can put words in peoples mouths. Don’t forget to delete.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@BlueSkyKing [quote]That is so clever! How can anyone identify the fake?[/quote]

You've never proven that what we believe is fictional. Until you do, God still lives and His Word is still True.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@GodSpeed63 You've never shown that what JWs claim is even compellingly necessary in the first place.

Until you do, it's just a pointless fantasy

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@newjaninev2 [quote]You've never shown that what JWs claim is even compellingly necessary in the first place.[/quote]

That's not the issue here. The issue here is the value of your belief systems. How valuable are they to you?

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@GodSpeed63 No, that [b][i]is[/i][/b] the issue here.

Dodge, weave, deflect, hide, or just plain run away as much as you have to (I realise you're afraid), but at least have the honour and integrity to address the issue.

[b]You've never shown that what JWs claim is even compellingly necessary in the first place[/b]

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@GodSpeed63 Incidentally, what's a 'belief system'??

Real people have beliefs.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@newjaninev2 [quote]Incidentally, what's a 'belief system'??[/quote]

Dodge, weave, deflect, hide, or just plain run away as much as you have to. That's what you're doing by trying to change the subject. How much value are you placing on what you think is true? From what have gather from this conversation and past conversations, you don't place any value on what you claim is true. This indicates to me that what you believe has very little value and not worth defending.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@GodSpeed63 You have made claims of truth, whereas I have made no such claims.

You refuse to discuss the basis for your claims, thereby leaving them without basis, and accordingly false.

You have refuted your own claims.

You act as if you have said nothing, so nothing it will be.

Your claims have no substance.

This demonstrates that what you claim has no value and and you are unable to defend the arrogance that lies behind those claims.

Dismissed.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@newjaninev2 [quote]You have made claims of truth, whereas I have made no such claims.[/quote]

I can see now how much worth your claims are to you. Science still points to God. Thank you for confirming that.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@GodSpeed63 Yet more deception? Seriously?

You have wilfully and knowingly made false claims about my comments.

Such behaviour is duplicitous and self-serving. Am I to assume this is the JW norm?

[b]To repeat[/b]:
You refuse to discuss the basis for your claims, thereby leaving them without basis, and accordingly false.

You have refuted your own claims.

You act as if you have said nothing, so nothing it will be.

Your claims have no substance.

This demonstrates that what you claim has no value and and you are unable to defend the arrogance that lies behind those claims.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@newjaninev2 [quote]Yet more deception? Seriously? [/quote]

You're just trying very hard not to back up any you say. In doing so, you're stating that you agree with the Truth of God, that He lives and His Word is Truth. You may not admit it, but there it is.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@GodSpeed63 What did I say?

You won't answer that question.

As always, you and your god will run away from any question whatsoever.

As always, you make completely unsupported claims about your god and then run away from them.

As always, you and your god have the temerity to feel that you are beyond questioning.

As always, the duplicity of the JW sect stands revealed for all to see.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@newjaninev2 [quote]What did I say?[/quote]

Read below your own post here. While your at it, try showing some evidence and facts about what you think is the truth.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@GodSpeed63 What did I say?

So you [i][b]still[/b][/i] won't answer that question.

[b]As always[/b], you and your god will run away from any question whatsoever.

[b]As always[/b], you make completely unsupported claims about your god and then run away from them.

[b]As always[/b], you and your god have the temerity to feel that you are beyond questioning.

[b]As always[/b], the duplicity of the JW sect stands revealed for all to see.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@newjaninev2 [quote]What did I say?[/quote]

Why are you here? I asked you a while back what you believe and you told me but you haven't shown any basis for it, Just how valuable is your belief to you?

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@GodSpeed63 [quote]what believe[/quote]

I tell you [b]yet again[/b]:

1. there's no proof that gods exist
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist
3. in any event, there’s no compelling necessity to even postulate gods, and, in any event, the postulation explains nothing (not even itself)... it merely tries to explain everything away.
4. therefore, I have no gods (I’m an agnostic atheist)

[b]Note that there are no beliefs in that[/b].

Each time I tell you this, you run away.

This time will be no different.

_____________________________________

“Don't you believe in flying saucers, they ask me? Don't you believe in telepathy? — in ancient astronauts? — in the Bermuda triangle? — in life after death?
No, I reply. No, no, no, no, and again no.
One person recently, goaded into desperation by the litany of unrelieved negation, burst out "Don't you believe in anything?"
Yes", I said. "I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I'll believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the evidence will have to be.”
[i]Isaac Asimov[/i]

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@GodSpeed63 thought so... and you and our magical entity can [i]stay[/i] gone

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@newjaninev2 [quote]1. there's no proof that gods exist
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist
3. in any event, there’s no compelling necessity to even postulate gods, and, in any event, the postulation explains nothing (not even itself)... it merely tries to explain everything away.
4. therefore, I have no gods (I’m an agnostic atheist)[/quote]

If they are of any value to you, support them with evidence and facts that show they are the actual truth. If you can't, then God still lives and His Word is still Truth.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@GodSpeed63 I doubt you actually read anything that anyone else writes here... you simply copy-paste from your JW-supplied list of meaningless remarks that help avoid honest discussion.

However:
Can you show [b]proof[/b] that gods exist?
Can you show [b]proof[/b] that gods don't exist?
Can you show a [b]compelling necessity[/b] to even postulate the existence of gods?

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@newjaninev2 [quote]I doubt you actually read anything that anyone else writes here[/quote]

I doubt you actually read anything that anyone else writes here. I already told you and demonstrated to you that Yahweh has proven Himself to mankind. It's up to you to prove that He didn't. It appears to me that you are ashamed of your claims on here and refuse to support them.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@GodSpeed63I assume you and your 'god' have, as usual, run away from questions and honesty.

Can you show [b]proof[/b] that gods exist?
Can you show [b]proof[/b] that gods don't exist?
Can you show a [b]compelling necessity[/b] to even postulate the existence of gods?

Three simple questions, yet they fill you and your 'god' with fear.

You have revealed the baseless arrogance of the JW sect.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@newjaninev2 [quote]I assume you and your 'god' have, as usual, run away from questions and honesty. [/quote]

[quote]Can you show proof that gods exist?[/quote]

You try to show that He doesn't live and I'll show you again that He does live.

[quote]Can you show proof that gods don't exist?[/quote]

You try to show me that those dummy gods truly live and then I'll you that they don't live.

[quote]Can you show a compelling necessity to even postulate the existence of gods?[/quote]

I'm already doing that for the one true God, Yahweh.

Thank you for proving me right once again. I'll be praying for you.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@GodSpeed63 and I'll be thinking for you.

Youranswers are:
1. No
2. No
3. No

Welcome.
One more of us.
One less of them.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@newjaninev2 [quote]One more of us. One less of them.[/quote]

Dream on, kid, dream on.

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