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hartfire · 61-69
None.
From the moment we become conscious we begin to develop conditioning of the nervous system.
- 18 months to 2 years - develop a sense of a separate self and other.
- 4 - 6 years, begin to get an idea of what those around us consider right and wrong.
By 12, begin to comprehend moral ambiguity, priorities, dilemmas and what underpins morality and ethics.
Throughout our childhood, we develop an idea, both conscious and unconscious, of who we are via the way others speak to us and treat us.
Our self-view is also created through how we interpret and react to that treatment,
and through the dominant social, cultural and educational ideas we repeatedly encounter.
If there is a neurological difference, this will affect the way experiences are processed and how the persona develops.
The deeper the conditioning, the more difficult it is for the adult to voluntarily change, but since the brain is inherently adaptable, choice and change are almost always possible.
The sum of all this is what we normally imagine to be "me", "who I am", "soul" or "spirit".
Without a living body, nervous system and brain, none of it is possible.
All of it dissolves with death.
From the moment we become conscious we begin to develop conditioning of the nervous system.
- 18 months to 2 years - develop a sense of a separate self and other.
- 4 - 6 years, begin to get an idea of what those around us consider right and wrong.
By 12, begin to comprehend moral ambiguity, priorities, dilemmas and what underpins morality and ethics.
Throughout our childhood, we develop an idea, both conscious and unconscious, of who we are via the way others speak to us and treat us.
Our self-view is also created through how we interpret and react to that treatment,
and through the dominant social, cultural and educational ideas we repeatedly encounter.
If there is a neurological difference, this will affect the way experiences are processed and how the persona develops.
The deeper the conditioning, the more difficult it is for the adult to voluntarily change, but since the brain is inherently adaptable, choice and change are almost always possible.
The sum of all this is what we normally imagine to be "me", "who I am", "soul" or "spirit".
Without a living body, nervous system and brain, none of it is possible.
All of it dissolves with death.
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@hartfire but many people change their views later in life so the conditioning means nothing at that point
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@Pikachu but i think most people realized there is a deeper part to life
@Axeroberts
I agree. There is certainly more meaning and value that we find in life than just the naked physical necessities of living.
But that doesn't mean that there exists a supernatural continuation beyond the body.
I agree. There is certainly more meaning and value that we find in life than just the naked physical necessities of living.
But that doesn't mean that there exists a supernatural continuation beyond the body.
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@Pikachu not supernatural. As natural as the laws of nature. and it sure makes the idea more plausible
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@Pikachu but it doesn't. It is the natural laws
@Axeroberts
No, you're proposing that it is a natural law. It is not an observed physical law.
But call it what you like. At this stage there appears to be no observed example of a mind existing without a brain.
No, you're proposing that it is a natural law. It is not an observed physical law.
But call it what you like. At this stage there appears to be no observed example of a mind existing without a brain.
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@Pikachu what about out of body experience. Anyway your idea about no evidence doesn't cut it for me. Way too closed minded. My experiences in life have shown me there is more than just what we have evidence of
@Axeroberts
No out of body experience has ever been verified. In fact, in experiments where people claiming to have out of body experiences were tasked with retrieving information like a number or word, they failed to be able to correctly report the test data even though they were convinced that they were indeed leaving their bodies.
That's because there is a big difference between what a person believes and what is real.
Keeping an open mind means following the evidence wherever it goes.
Believing what you want to be true without or in spite of evidence is more close-minded in my opinion because you have already decided what you believe no matter what.
what about out of body experience
No out of body experience has ever been verified. In fact, in experiments where people claiming to have out of body experiences were tasked with retrieving information like a number or word, they failed to be able to correctly report the test data even though they were convinced that they were indeed leaving their bodies.
That's because there is a big difference between what a person believes and what is real.
Keeping an open mind means following the evidence wherever it goes.
Believing what you want to be true without or in spite of evidence is more close-minded in my opinion because you have already decided what you believe no matter what.
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@Pikachu I have my evidence. That's all that matters to me. No matter what you say. And you don't know reality any better than the next guy. You are closed minded because you only use evidence to decide what is real. I use my feelings and evidence I believe in science as much as you but I believe in God also. Evidence says the grass is green. Belief is knowing there is more to it than that. It's using common sense. I prefer combining everything at my disposal to decide. You only want evidence so your mind can stay closed
@Axeroberts
That's because belief is not a reliable way of knowing what is true about the world. People believe the earth is flat, people believe you have to leave out dishes of cream or the fairies will steal your roof, people believe that god x is real and others believe god y is real. People believe they can leave their bodies or read minds or locate objects...but when these are put to the test they fail.
Why?
Because reality is objective and belief is subjective.
If you've made up your mind and you won't allow evidence to change it...there's no other word for that than close-minded.
You do you, but don't try to claim the high ground of open-mindedness when you've declared that evidence is not important in the face of your predetermined belief.
you only use evidence to decide what is real[quote]
[/quote]That's because belief is not a reliable way of knowing what is true about the world. People believe the earth is flat, people believe you have to leave out dishes of cream or the fairies will steal your roof, people believe that god x is real and others believe god y is real. People believe they can leave their bodies or read minds or locate objects...but when these are put to the test they fail.
Why?
Because reality is objective and belief is subjective.
If you've made up your mind and you won't allow evidence to change it...there's no other word for that than close-minded.
You do you, but don't try to claim the high ground of open-mindedness when you've declared that evidence is not important in the face of your predetermined belief.
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@Pikachu my belief came first from an experience. Not the other way around. So then I realized it is a creation. And science reveals how.
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@Pikachu like i said my belief came first as i was agnostic before that. So i didn't need convincing. I did not look at the structure of the universe and decide a Creator existed.