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Why Trade The Truth Of God For The Lie Of Satan?

12 Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”
John 8:12

31 Then Jesus said to those who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” John 8:31 & 32

42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.” John 8:42-47

In this fallen world of ours, there's always going to be the Truth of God and the lie of Satan. Even though God granted us freedom to believe what we wish, He gave us common sense of responsibility to believe in His Truth rather than the lie of Satan. He also granted us freedom of speech but gave us the common sense of responsibility to speak His Truth rather than the lie of Satan. He also gave us the freedom to live our lives with wisdom but gave us the common sense to live them according to His Truth rather than to live the lie of Satan. God gave us the freedom to worship Him with wisdom but He also gave us the common sense to worship Him in deed and in Truth.

Freedom and Responsibility go hand-in-hand, you can't have one without the other lest your life goes into chaos.

In spite of what some may think, God's Truth will always remain solid truth.

Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away. Matthew 24:35

God never fails to a promise that He makes. Not one promise has He failed to keep in spite of what some may believe.

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Musicman · 61-69, M

I have never understood how people would choose Satan over God. It just boggles my mind.

Pikachu

@Musicman

Ain't no one choosing Satan over god. Not even Satanists, generally speaking because they tend to be atheists.
A christian would say i'm choosing satan over god because i don't believe god is real...but i also don't believe satan is real.
I'm not choosing satan by being unconvinced of the god myth.

A lot of Christians seem to have trouble understanding that nuance because they're so entrenched in their theology.

Musicman · 61-69, M

@Pikachu There are people who do believe and actively choose Satan. Those are the people I am referring to. Not believing at all is a choice too.

LeopoldBloom · M

@Musicman I didn't choose not to believe. I have no control over it. If belief is a choice, then please demonstrate by choosing to not believe in God for five minutes. If you can't do that, it's unreasonable for you to tell me that I can choose to believe. You should hold yourself to the same standard you demand from others.

Pikachu

@Musicman

Not a very typical circumstance though, is it? Rare, you might call it.

As for belief being a choice, i disagree and i think LeopoldBloom has given you the test to demonstrate this.

Perhaps if belief/disbelief in god is too uncomfortable a test for you, attempt instead to [i]choose[/i] to believe that you think Santa Claus is real and delivers gifts to the children of the world.
If you cannot choose to be convince of that belief then by the same token you did not choose not to believe in Santa Claus.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@Pikachu [quote]As for belief being a choice, i disagree and i think LeopoldBloom has given you the test to demonstrate this.[/quote]

Pikachu, haven't heard from you in a while, what have you been up to? Neither you or LeopoldBloom will ever convince me that you didn't have a choice to believe what you wish. You two chose to trade the Truth of God for the lie of Satan. Your testimonies give confirmation to that fact.

Pikachu

@GodSpeed63

[quote]Neither you or LeopoldBloom will ever convince me that you didn't have a choice to believe what you wish[/quote]

Then i will present you with the challenge and ask you a straight question and if you are an honest man you will give me a straight and direct answer to that question with God as the witness to any dishonesty in your heart or deflection :

Choose right now that you believe that Santa Claus is real and delivers gifts to good girls and boys all over the world.

With God as your witness...were you successful? Were you able to choose that you think Santa Claus is real?

Yes or no?

LeopoldBloom · M

@Musicman If not believing is a choice, please demonstrate by choosing to not believe in God for the next five minutes.

Musicman · 61-69, M

@LeopoldBloom That didn't even make sense.

Pikachu

@Musicman

[quote]That didn't even make sense.[/quote]

Is there a concept here that are you having difficulty understanding?

Musicman · 61-69, M

@Pikachu Yes! You.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@Pikachu [quote]Choose right now that you believe that Santa Claus is real and delivers gifts to good girls and boys all over the world.[/quote]

Yes I do. His name was St. Nicolas before he was widely known as Santa Clause. Look it up.

LeopoldBloom · M

@GodSpeed63 St. Nicolas was a real person who lived in what is now Turkey in the 4th century. He is also the patron saint of sailors, merchants, archers, repentant thieves, children, brewers, pawnbrokers, unmarried people, and students. The association with children and stories about him giving people gifts eventually led to the legend of Santa Claus. The popular image of Santa comes from a Coca-Cola ad in the early 20th century.

This guy was real:

This guy is not:

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@LeopoldBloom [quote] The popular image of Santa comes from a Coca-Cola ad in the early 20th century.[/quote]

Certainly, history was not your best subject in school.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@Pikachu [quote]A lot of Christians seem to have trouble understanding that nuance because they're so entrenched in their theology.[/quote]

We're in so entrenched with Truth of God since you're not able to show any kind of proof that He isn't real. Satan loves gullible people like yourself and will do anything, including having you disbelieve in him, to be your puppet master to do his bidding.

LeopoldBloom · M

@GodSpeed63 I posted an image of Santa Claus from an early 20th century Coca-Cola ad, and you're telling me it's something else?

"Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@LeopoldBloom [quote]Who are you going to believe[/quote]

What God says about it.

LeopoldBloom · M

@GodSpeed63 Where does God say that the popular image of Santa Claus doesn't come from a Coca-Cola ad? God doesn't say anything about the original St. Nicolas either. Even if you believe the Bible is God's word, it was written centuries before St. Nicolas was born.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@LeopoldBloom [quote] Where does God say that the popular image of Santa Claus doesn't come from a Coca-Cola ad?[/quote]

Through His Spirit of Truth of which you do not have dwelling in you.

LeopoldBloom · M

@GodSpeed63 As if you have the Spirit of Truth dwelling in you. Just the opposite.

I literally posted a picture of Santa Claus holding a bottle of Coca-Cola, and you're telling me some invisible spirit says it's something else. The term for people who don't accept reality is "insane."

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@LeopoldBloom [quote]As if you have the Spirit of Truth dwelling in you.[/quote]

I do have the the Spirit dwelling in me and nothing you say can change that. He can also dwell in you if you'd let Him.

LeopoldBloom · M

@GodSpeed63 You're entitled to your opinion. I see no evidence of any "Spirit dwelling" in you.

I can't "let" something happen if I consider it nonsensical. Neither can you. If you disagree, please demonstrate by exercising your free will and choosing to not have "Spirit dwelling" in you for five minutes. If you can't do that, it's unreasonable for you to tell me that I have to do it.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@LeopoldBloom [quote]You're entitled to your opinion. I see no evidence of any "Spirit dwelling" in you.[/quote]

My 'opinions' need to line up with the Word of God. If they don't, then I need to change my 'opinions.' The evidence is in my character which Jesus has been working on since I got saved.

WhisperinAngelic101 · F

@GodSpeed63 way to go! you are on the side of good. Not every one is as brave as you are for trying to do the right thing. I guess this world is a really shady place, where the opposite of good is encouraged.