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Can the merging of God with the climax devotee be considered as a miracle?

Can the merging of God with the climax devotee be considered as a miracle?

[Smt. Chhanda asked: Can the merging with the climax devotee be considered as a miracle once it has taken place as He becomes God Himself from that moment?]


Swami replied:- Merging of the unimaginable God with the first energetic form (Datta) is unimaginable because the unimaginable God Himself is the God component here. But, when God Datta merges with an energetic being or a human being, it can be explained with a practical example because the God component became imaginable since He is mediated with the medium of imaginable energy in the case of the formation of further energetic incarnations and human incarnations. A devoted energetic being is completely made of energy and hence, the merging of God Datta with such energetic being is simply merge of energy with energy. In the case of a devoted human being, apart from energy, matter also exists and matter has the property of absorption of energy resulting in excitation. Hence, after merge, the human medium is excited and shows very high temperature of the body. Since the merge is perfect, the Veda says that God remains as God after merge and at the same time, God becomes the human being component (Sat ca tyat ca abhavat).

Based on this authority of the Veda, we shall accept that the human being component after merge becomes God from that very moment. Moreover, if the devotees doubt the visible human component to be God due to their inherent ego based jealousy, the whole purpose of human incarnation is lost. Then, the devotees have to worship unimaginable God or invisible energetic incarnations or invisible past human incarnation through photos and statues. Then, the whole story comes to the beginning point. It is very difficult to conquer the ego based jealousy and hence, all devotees will not become true devotees of contemporary human incarnation of God. During the time of Krishna, who frankly told that He is the contemporary human incarnation, the number of devotees were very less and enemies were plenty. This is the reason why salvation is attained by very few deserving souls only and not by the majority.

Q. Can we treat the climax devotees as God?

[At Your divine lotus feet, Chhanda]

Swami replied:- The climax devotees become very close to God and not God (Tanmayā hi te - Narada Bhakti Sutram). Any devotee, whether climax or not becomes God only when God merges with the devotee by His pure free will. If anybody has the aspiration to become God, be sure, such soul is permanently disqualified and will never become God. A devotee, who tries always to be servant of God alone becomes God, if God wishes so, and this concept is well demonstrated by God Himself in the role of Hanuman. The aspiration to become God shall not be born in the mind and the aspiration to be the servant of God shall not die in the mind. The inherent nature of human soul is that it always becomes jealous about the highest and it always has the selfish aspiration to become highest! Even after becoming God, Hanuman said that He is the servant of Rama! Shirdi Sai Baba also told that the unimaginable God is the ultimate master (Allah Malik). Even when God in the contemporary human incarnation is saying that He is the servant of God, why should you treat the climax devotee as God? Even though the incarnation is God, He is telling that He is servant of God and such telling is for the welfare of devotees only. If devotees treat climax devotee of God as God, such a climax devotee gets ego and falls down to become Yogabhrashta! Neither the devotees are benefited because the climax devotee is not God (wrong knowledge) nor the climax devotee is benefited because he has fallen down! The devotees project the climax devotee as God in the first step. In the second step, the devotees claim themselves as climax devotees and conclude finally that they are also God!! This is the general human tendency and hence, the climax devotee shall be careful with his co-devotees.

Mandana Mishra was a climax devotee of Sadguru, called Kumarilabhatta (the incarnation of God Subrahmanya). The other disciples praised Mandana Mishra as more intelligent than Sadguru. Kumarilabhatta was preaching both knowledge and action (Jñāna karma samuccaya) and Mandana Mishra left his Sadguru to become an independent Sadguru preaching only action (karma vaada). Shankara met Kumarilabhatta and came to know the whole story. In fact, Kumarilabhatta was correct in knowledge. Then, Shankara went to Mandana Mishra and defeated him in the debate and rectified him by establishing the importance of knowledge. Since Mandana Mishra was also an incarnation of Brahma, he got rectified (or rather he acted as if rectified). If Mandana Mishra was simply a human being, he would not have accepted his defeat even if Shankara argues for years together! This concept was preached by the three roles of God (Shiva, Subrahmanya and Brahma). Since Mandana Mishra was an incarnation of God, he rectified himself in this very birth without taking the next birth as in the case of Yogabhrashta because ego and jealousy in a human being will never die!! The Advaita philosopher always thinks that he is God (or atleast, he will become God by such constant thinking!) and shuts down the doors of his fortune forever.
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ArcAngel · 61-69, M
Lots of words that say practically nothing.

I want you to read just this one verse very carefully and ask yourself, does the Swami or any
other author you know of make a claim like this?

Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

Have they created anything like the heavens or the earth or the spirit that is within us?
SW-User
@ArcAngel You merely quote a claim made in the particular book you believe in.

Reference to the creation and as to who (or what) was responsible can be found in all.our world's Faith Traditions. All differ in certain respects. As to which is "right" is another matter.

A summary found by googling:-

Scriptures of different religions provide varying answers into the question of the creation of the universe, with different degrees of clarity. Consequently, their respective concepts about the power of God to create a universe out of nothing are also different from one another. After thousands of years this question still irritates the minds of ordinary people, theologians and scientists.

Personally I find the Buddhist "silence" on the issue to be the most productive in terms of finding our very own path, time and place.
ArcAngel · 61-69, M
@SW-User
None of which you have " quoted " says anything about a Creator.
SW-User
@ArcAngel Try to read my answer again, this time try to concentrate, and perhaps understand a few of the words and concepts involved.
ArcAngel · 61-69, M
@SW-User
Your answer was so simplistic, it didn't take much concetration. Try reading this again:

Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
SW-User
@ArcAngel It was only "simplistic" for anyone who thinks that a claim made in their own chosen scripture is somehow definitive, as some sort of "answer".

The Buddhist Scriptures are more "definitive" for me. Wherein the Buddha remains silent on such questions as seem to preoccupy your own mind. Silent, simply because believing in any answer at all is antithetical to the living of the "Holy Life", the path to the end of suffering.
ArcAngel · 61-69, M
@SW-User
Just try to find ANY other text that makes that claim; it is obvious:

Deuteronomy 10:17
For theLordyour God is Godofgods, andLordoflords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Isaiah 45:5
I am theLord, and there isnoneelse, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

Isaiah 45:6
That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there isnonebeside me. I am theLord, and there isnoneelse.
SW-User
@ArcAngel Sadly, you are missing the point.