Do you think the former nurse Lucy Letby is an Atheist or do you think she believes in God?
Why/why not?
22-25, F
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@JSul3 There's a big difference between manmade religion and God's Divine Purpose to keep His promise to His people that He will deliver them from their [b]enemies[/b], which is where people get that mixed up and accuse God of being a murderer. God gave those evil people, that some are so quick to blame God for killing.....[u]hundreds of years to repent[/u] and they still would not, and it was [b]they[/b] who started going after God's people to kill them, and that's when God stepped in and protected His people and told them how to defeat them. And rightly so!
JSul3 · 70-79
@LadyGrace You are quite the biblical scholar, and I mean that sincerely, so please help me here.
God flooded the earth, wiping out mankind, except for Noah and some family members and animals. So can you honestly tell me that 'mankind' did not include innocent men, women, and children?
Also, recall a little massacre at Jerico: The slaughter of entire communities (Deuteronomy 20:10-18). And their holy wars eventually inspired similar wars many centuries later by Christians who admired Old Testament warriors like Joshua: "[Joshua's army killed everyone in Jericho], both men and women, young and old, oxen, sheep, and donkeys.... Joshua defeated the whole land... he left no one remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded." (Joshua 6:21 and 10:40).
Lest I add, 'holy wars' like the Crusades...or how about Manifest Destiny, the God ordained slaughter of natives and taking their lands....or those fine Christians who lynched hundreds of blacks.
God flooded the earth, wiping out mankind, except for Noah and some family members and animals. So can you honestly tell me that 'mankind' did not include innocent men, women, and children?
Also, recall a little massacre at Jerico: The slaughter of entire communities (Deuteronomy 20:10-18). And their holy wars eventually inspired similar wars many centuries later by Christians who admired Old Testament warriors like Joshua: "[Joshua's army killed everyone in Jericho], both men and women, young and old, oxen, sheep, and donkeys.... Joshua defeated the whole land... he left no one remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded." (Joshua 6:21 and 10:40).
Lest I add, 'holy wars' like the Crusades...or how about Manifest Destiny, the God ordained slaughter of natives and taking their lands....or those fine Christians who lynched hundreds of blacks.
@JSul3 I can answer those but you'll have to give me time okay? I have cataracts on both eyes and right now they're pretty shot because I can hardly see at the end of the day. lol You may or may not accept or like the answers but I will answer them to the best of my ability. Thank you for those most important questions.
JSul3 · 70-79
@LadyGrace I asked about those innocent men, women, and children drowned by God in the flood that spared Noah and a few family members, as well as other questions.
Also, please clarify a comment you made:
"God gave those evil people, that some are so quick to blame God for killing.....hundreds of years to repent and they still would not, and it was they who started going after God's people to kill them,....."
Who was God giving hundreds of years to repent? The Jews? Or others?
Thank you.
Also, please clarify a comment you made:
"God gave those evil people, that some are so quick to blame God for killing.....hundreds of years to repent and they still would not, and it was they who started going after God's people to kill them,....."
Who was God giving hundreds of years to repent? The Jews? Or others?
Thank you.
@JSul3 Hey, buddy! I'm finally getting around to answering your questions haha. I'm sorry it took me so long. I got quite busy but I'll try to answer your questions as best I can. I'll answer them one by one, one section at a time so it doesn't get too long to read.
[quote]Question #1 - God flooded the earth, wiping out mankind, except for Noah and some family members and animals. So can you honestly tell me that 'mankind' did not include innocent men, women, and children?[/quote]
I'm sure we don't know every single detail, but we do know that something happened in the world that was so terrible, it caused God to send a flood to destroy it. We must remember that people blame God for the flood, but it was mankind, who after being warned by God not to be so sinful, decided not to listen to him, and do their own thing, anyway. That was their choice to sin. God had plenty of patience with them. Even Noah warned them and told them that judgment was coming unless they would repent of their sins , but they wouldn't listen and they laughed at Noah and made fun of him , saying that no flood was coming. You can imagine they thought he was crazy, because up until the time of Noah's building the ark, it is said that it had never rained, even one time. There had been a mist that covered the ground, but never rain.
The rain falling on the roof of the ark may have been the very first rainstorm on earth. Several lines of biblical evidence of this exist:
No mention is made of rain on the earth until the Flood (Gen. 7:4,12). The original earth and the Garden of Eden were watered by streams, rivers, and mist, instead of by rain (Genesis 2:5,6,10). These sources may have been replenished from groundwater. Humidity and mist are still effective today in watering plants. Part of Adam's responsibility in the garden may have been to provide irrigation for the vegetation (Gen. 2:15).
The rainbow we see today, represents a special covenant or promise of protection from another worldwide flood. The rainbow's appearance to Noah may have been its first occurrence in the sky (Gen. 9:8-17). Typical raindrops of sufficient size to cause a rainbow require atmosphere instability. Prior to the flood, weather conditions were probably very stable.
If the earth did not experience rain before the flood, then Noah's ark-building must have appeared especially foolish to his critics. Likewise, the faith of Noah described in Hebrews 11:7 was especially strong. Noah was warned about things not seen, which may have been a further indication that rain was not part of humanity's early experience.
Some critics assert that the God of the Old Testament was a bloodthirsty tyrant who delighted in destroying the world with a flood; they ignore the wickedness and corruption that humanity had embraced, and fail to see that God sought, for mankind's own good, to put a stop to its evil behavior (Genesis 6:5–13). Before sending the flood, God sent Noah, a preacher of righteousness (2 Peter 2:5) to warn the world of what was coming. Noah's warning message lasted 100 years (Genesis 5:32;7:6).
So God didn't just all of a sudden, send the flood. He kept telling them to stop sinning and he waited 100 years for them to repent, but generation after generation, just got more sinful and evil. Scripture stresses that humankind's wickedness had come to the place where judgment was necessary. They were not only evil, they were evil [i]continually[/i]. There was no shame whatsoever and no desire for godliness. They lived with no thought of God or their fellow man. A cruel way of life, where evil and violence was continually on their minds. This saddened God greatly. He did not want their "seed", offspring, to be the same and the wickedness to continue generation after generation, and so he sent the flood. The flood was a way of cleansing the earth of its sin. Every semblance of evil would be washed away and Noah, his family, and the animals, could make a new start on the newly cleansed earth.
In another time, we see God used nature to protect His people, as promised. God, who is sovereign over His creation, used the waters of the Red Sea to save the Israelites from their attacking enemies, and destroyed their Egyptian army.
The lesson is that sin always has consequences. We reap what we sow. This generation has gotten the same. About 90 percent of Bible prophecy concerns the days just ahead of us. The prophetic Book of Daniel coincides with the Book of Revelation, [i]of things to come[/i]. This is a sobering thought that should get our attention. Many professing Christians today, wrongly believe that Old Testament prophecies were fulfilled long ago and are no longer relevant. Those prophecies, which will have a devastating effect on modern Israelitish nations,provide vital details about end-time events developing on the world scene today. Moses warned the children of Israel that "evil will befall you in the latter days" and that "the Lord will bring a nation against you from afar" (Deuteronomy 31:29;28:49). God wants this generation to repent, because, as He stated: "I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked" (Ezekiel 33:11). But when people don't listen...they see the consequences.
We must remember that God does not hate people. He hates sin and the reason for that is because it separates us from Him. Even for eternity. Satan is trying to get everyone he can to not follow the Lord, so that he can have them with him in hell. This is why sin is so serious to the Lord. He's not willing that any should perish as it says in John 3:16 and 17, but that all will be saved and come to everlasting life, through Jesus.
A choice must be made one way or the other. If we leave our sins to chance, the Bible says that sin always keeps us separated from God [u]until[/u] we repent of our sins, so Jesus can bring forgiveness to us and restore our fellowship with God the Father.
[b][c=BF0000]For God did NOT come into the world to condemn it, but to SAVE US from the consequences and condemnation that sin placed on us. John 3:17. IF we will let Him![/c][/b]
[quote]Question #1 - God flooded the earth, wiping out mankind, except for Noah and some family members and animals. So can you honestly tell me that 'mankind' did not include innocent men, women, and children?[/quote]
I'm sure we don't know every single detail, but we do know that something happened in the world that was so terrible, it caused God to send a flood to destroy it. We must remember that people blame God for the flood, but it was mankind, who after being warned by God not to be so sinful, decided not to listen to him, and do their own thing, anyway. That was their choice to sin. God had plenty of patience with them. Even Noah warned them and told them that judgment was coming unless they would repent of their sins , but they wouldn't listen and they laughed at Noah and made fun of him , saying that no flood was coming. You can imagine they thought he was crazy, because up until the time of Noah's building the ark, it is said that it had never rained, even one time. There had been a mist that covered the ground, but never rain.
The rain falling on the roof of the ark may have been the very first rainstorm on earth. Several lines of biblical evidence of this exist:
No mention is made of rain on the earth until the Flood (Gen. 7:4,12). The original earth and the Garden of Eden were watered by streams, rivers, and mist, instead of by rain (Genesis 2:5,6,10). These sources may have been replenished from groundwater. Humidity and mist are still effective today in watering plants. Part of Adam's responsibility in the garden may have been to provide irrigation for the vegetation (Gen. 2:15).
The rainbow we see today, represents a special covenant or promise of protection from another worldwide flood. The rainbow's appearance to Noah may have been its first occurrence in the sky (Gen. 9:8-17). Typical raindrops of sufficient size to cause a rainbow require atmosphere instability. Prior to the flood, weather conditions were probably very stable.
If the earth did not experience rain before the flood, then Noah's ark-building must have appeared especially foolish to his critics. Likewise, the faith of Noah described in Hebrews 11:7 was especially strong. Noah was warned about things not seen, which may have been a further indication that rain was not part of humanity's early experience.
Some critics assert that the God of the Old Testament was a bloodthirsty tyrant who delighted in destroying the world with a flood; they ignore the wickedness and corruption that humanity had embraced, and fail to see that God sought, for mankind's own good, to put a stop to its evil behavior (Genesis 6:5–13). Before sending the flood, God sent Noah, a preacher of righteousness (2 Peter 2:5) to warn the world of what was coming. Noah's warning message lasted 100 years (Genesis 5:32;7:6).
So God didn't just all of a sudden, send the flood. He kept telling them to stop sinning and he waited 100 years for them to repent, but generation after generation, just got more sinful and evil. Scripture stresses that humankind's wickedness had come to the place where judgment was necessary. They were not only evil, they were evil [i]continually[/i]. There was no shame whatsoever and no desire for godliness. They lived with no thought of God or their fellow man. A cruel way of life, where evil and violence was continually on their minds. This saddened God greatly. He did not want their "seed", offspring, to be the same and the wickedness to continue generation after generation, and so he sent the flood. The flood was a way of cleansing the earth of its sin. Every semblance of evil would be washed away and Noah, his family, and the animals, could make a new start on the newly cleansed earth.
In another time, we see God used nature to protect His people, as promised. God, who is sovereign over His creation, used the waters of the Red Sea to save the Israelites from their attacking enemies, and destroyed their Egyptian army.
The lesson is that sin always has consequences. We reap what we sow. This generation has gotten the same. About 90 percent of Bible prophecy concerns the days just ahead of us. The prophetic Book of Daniel coincides with the Book of Revelation, [i]of things to come[/i]. This is a sobering thought that should get our attention. Many professing Christians today, wrongly believe that Old Testament prophecies were fulfilled long ago and are no longer relevant. Those prophecies, which will have a devastating effect on modern Israelitish nations,provide vital details about end-time events developing on the world scene today. Moses warned the children of Israel that "evil will befall you in the latter days" and that "the Lord will bring a nation against you from afar" (Deuteronomy 31:29;28:49). God wants this generation to repent, because, as He stated: "I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked" (Ezekiel 33:11). But when people don't listen...they see the consequences.
We must remember that God does not hate people. He hates sin and the reason for that is because it separates us from Him. Even for eternity. Satan is trying to get everyone he can to not follow the Lord, so that he can have them with him in hell. This is why sin is so serious to the Lord. He's not willing that any should perish as it says in John 3:16 and 17, but that all will be saved and come to everlasting life, through Jesus.
A choice must be made one way or the other. If we leave our sins to chance, the Bible says that sin always keeps us separated from God [u]until[/u] we repent of our sins, so Jesus can bring forgiveness to us and restore our fellowship with God the Father.
[b][c=BF0000]For God did NOT come into the world to condemn it, but to SAVE US from the consequences and condemnation that sin placed on us. John 3:17. IF we will let Him![/c][/b]
@JSul3 Question #2 - Also, recall a little massacre at Jerico: The slaughter of entire communities (Deuteronomy 20:10-18). And their holy wars eventually inspired similar wars many centuries later by Christians who admired Old Testament warriors like Joshua: "[Joshua's army killed everyone in Jericho], both men and women, young and old, oxen, sheep, and donkeys.... Joshua defeated the whole land... he left no one remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded." (Joshua 6:21 and 10:40).
As I mentioned, God gets blame for a lot of things he didn't do and people don't understand the real reason some things occurred in the Bible, because they have not read the context of it nor the events of why things happened the way they did. But careful Bible study proves God is always just. Even if it doesn't appear that way, God is [b]always[/b] just. There's always two sides to a story just because they may look a certain way, doesn't mean they are as we see them.
Everybody was so quick to blame God for killing babies, but it was Herod that ordered that!
A basic knowledge ofCanaanite culturereveals its inherent moral wickedness. The Canaanites were a brutal, aggressive people who engaged in bestiality, incest, and even child sacrifice. Deviant sexual acts were the norm. The Canaanites’ sin was so repellent that God said, “The land vomited out its inhabitants” (Leviticus 18:25). Even so, the destruction was directed more at the Canaanite religion (Deuteronomy 7:3–5;12:2–3) than at the Canaanite people per se. The judgment was not ethnically motivated. Individual Canaanites, like Rahab in Jericho, could still find that mercy follows repentance (Joshua 2). God’s desire is that the wicked turn from their sin rather than die (Ezekiel 18:31–32;33:11).
Besides dealing with national sins, God used the conquest of Canaan to introduce the Messiah to the world. This Messiah would bring salvation not only to Israel, but also to Israel’s enemies, including Canaan (Psalm 87:4–6;Mark 7:25–30).
It must be remembered that God gave the Canaanite people more than sufficient time to repent of their evil ways—over 400 years! The book of Hebrews tells us that the Canaanites were “disobedient,” which implies moral culpability on their part (Hebrews 11:31). The Canaanites were aware of God’s power (Joshua 2:10–11;9:9) and could have sought repentance. Except in rare instances, they continued their rebellion against God until the bitter end.
As I mentioned, God gets blame for a lot of things he didn't do and people don't understand the real reason some things occurred in the Bible, because they have not read the context of it nor the events of why things happened the way they did. But careful Bible study proves God is always just. Even if it doesn't appear that way, God is [b]always[/b] just. There's always two sides to a story just because they may look a certain way, doesn't mean they are as we see them.
Everybody was so quick to blame God for killing babies, but it was Herod that ordered that!
A basic knowledge ofCanaanite culturereveals its inherent moral wickedness. The Canaanites were a brutal, aggressive people who engaged in bestiality, incest, and even child sacrifice. Deviant sexual acts were the norm. The Canaanites’ sin was so repellent that God said, “The land vomited out its inhabitants” (Leviticus 18:25). Even so, the destruction was directed more at the Canaanite religion (Deuteronomy 7:3–5;12:2–3) than at the Canaanite people per se. The judgment was not ethnically motivated. Individual Canaanites, like Rahab in Jericho, could still find that mercy follows repentance (Joshua 2). God’s desire is that the wicked turn from their sin rather than die (Ezekiel 18:31–32;33:11).
Besides dealing with national sins, God used the conquest of Canaan to introduce the Messiah to the world. This Messiah would bring salvation not only to Israel, but also to Israel’s enemies, including Canaan (Psalm 87:4–6;Mark 7:25–30).
It must be remembered that God gave the Canaanite people more than sufficient time to repent of their evil ways—over 400 years! The book of Hebrews tells us that the Canaanites were “disobedient,” which implies moral culpability on their part (Hebrews 11:31). The Canaanites were aware of God’s power (Joshua 2:10–11;9:9) and could have sought repentance. Except in rare instances, they continued their rebellion against God until the bitter end.
JSul3 · 70-79
@LadyGrace Thank you. Here we go.
"We must remember that people blame God for the flood, but it was mankind....." If this really took place, God CHOSE to do it. He chose to wipe out mankind. We don't know what the population of the world was back then, but there had to be innocent people, including children, in other parts of the world who were murdered due to the flood.
"Some critics assert that the God of the Old Testament was a bloodthirsty tyrant who delighted in destroying the world with a flood......" As I noted above, innocent children died...if this flood actually took place. I can't accept the death of innocents.
"Every semblance of evil would be washed away and Noah, his family, and the animals, could make a new start on the newly cleansed earth....." So Noah and few family members were responsible for re-populating the world? That would require a bit of inbreeding, and would not account for the various races...anglo, black, asian, etc. and thousands of years to accomplish. I won't mention the thousands of animals....and how they were placed around the globe.
"God, who is sovereign over His creation, used the waters of the Red Sea to save the Israelites from their attacking enemies, and destroyed their Egyptian army....." Ok.. I will address his not saving the Israelites (Jews) from the Holocaust after reading your answers to my other questions.
Thank you.
"We must remember that people blame God for the flood, but it was mankind....." If this really took place, God CHOSE to do it. He chose to wipe out mankind. We don't know what the population of the world was back then, but there had to be innocent people, including children, in other parts of the world who were murdered due to the flood.
"Some critics assert that the God of the Old Testament was a bloodthirsty tyrant who delighted in destroying the world with a flood......" As I noted above, innocent children died...if this flood actually took place. I can't accept the death of innocents.
"Every semblance of evil would be washed away and Noah, his family, and the animals, could make a new start on the newly cleansed earth....." So Noah and few family members were responsible for re-populating the world? That would require a bit of inbreeding, and would not account for the various races...anglo, black, asian, etc. and thousands of years to accomplish. I won't mention the thousands of animals....and how they were placed around the globe.
"God, who is sovereign over His creation, used the waters of the Red Sea to save the Israelites from their attacking enemies, and destroyed their Egyptian army....." Ok.. I will address his not saving the Israelites (Jews) from the Holocaust after reading your answers to my other questions.
Thank you.
@JSul3 [quote]We don't know what the population of the world was back then, but there had to be innocent people, including children, in other parts of the world who were murdered due to the flood.[/quote]
Well that's man's reasoning that there HAD to be innocent people before the Flood occurred, but you know God is no liar. If He says that's the way it was, then that's the way it was. Yes. He CHOSE to send the flood, but for good reason. Are you saying it was he that made those people sin? It wasn't. We weren't there. God was. God is incapable of lying. It is not even in his character. If he was a liar he could not call himself God and he would then be a sinner like the rest of us but there is no sin in God. He is perfect and holy and that's exactly why he can inhabit heaven because sin has no place in heaven.
Well that's man's reasoning that there HAD to be innocent people before the Flood occurred, but you know God is no liar. If He says that's the way it was, then that's the way it was. Yes. He CHOSE to send the flood, but for good reason. Are you saying it was he that made those people sin? It wasn't. We weren't there. God was. God is incapable of lying. It is not even in his character. If he was a liar he could not call himself God and he would then be a sinner like the rest of us but there is no sin in God. He is perfect and holy and that's exactly why he can inhabit heaven because sin has no place in heaven.
@JSul3 [quote]So Noah and few family members were responsible for re-populating the world? That would require a bit of inbreeding, and would not account for the various races...anglo, black, asian, etc. and thousands of years to accomplish. I won't mention the thousands of animals....and how they were placed around the globe.[/quote]
Well if there were going to be further generations, yes, inbreeding had to take place and only then was that to take place. God saw that it was necessary in order to populate the Earth so that was not considered a sin at that time. We may not understand that but who are we to question God and judge him?
Well if there were going to be further generations, yes, inbreeding had to take place and only then was that to take place. God saw that it was necessary in order to populate the Earth so that was not considered a sin at that time. We may not understand that but who are we to question God and judge him?
@JSul3 [quote]Ok.. I will address his not saving the Israelites (Jews) from the Holocaust after reading your answers to my other questions.[/quote]
Ultimately, we do not know the reasons for what God allows. His ways and thoughts are infinitely higher than ours (Isaiah 55:8-9). His sovereign plan takes in the whole scope of history, past, present, and future, encompassing every possible course of action, every cause and effect, every potentiality, and every contingency. There is no way we could possibly fathom the intricacies of His design.Perhaps there are things that we will never know this side of Heaven, but will sure find out when we cross over to the other side and many will see that they judged God wrongly. There's some things we weren't meant to know. But he did show us the main thing that we needed to know and that is how to have salvation and spend eternity with him in heaven. Without him, this would not ever be possible. He came so that he could save us from hell. He is not a vicious God. He wants everyone to be saved.
But we can understand this: God’s permission is not the same as His approval. God allowed Adam to eat of the forbidden tree, but He did not approve of the action. In the same way, God’s allowing the Holocaust in no way suggests His approval of it. God is grieved by the sinfulness of man and the hardness of his heart (Genesis 6:6;Mark 3:5).
We also know that God has done everything possible to redeem us from the sin which would destroy us. He gave His only Son, who sacrificed His life for our sin and took our penalty. All who turn to Jesus Christ in faith are saved. The sin in this world, and horrors such as the Holocaust, are a direct result of mankind’s continued sin and rebellion against God.
In all of His doings, God is just (Psalm 145:17). The blame for the Holocaust lies squarely on the shoulders of sinful humanity. The Holocaust was the product of sinful choices made by sinful men, in rebellion against a holy God. If the Holocaust proves anything, it is the utter depravity of man. Just fourteen years after "the war to end all wars" (World War I), Hitler rose to power. What is even more shocking, is that [b]millions followed him, enabling his horrific policies and pursuing a path to national destruction.[/b]
Ultimately, we do not know the reasons for what God allows. His ways and thoughts are infinitely higher than ours (Isaiah 55:8-9). His sovereign plan takes in the whole scope of history, past, present, and future, encompassing every possible course of action, every cause and effect, every potentiality, and every contingency. There is no way we could possibly fathom the intricacies of His design.Perhaps there are things that we will never know this side of Heaven, but will sure find out when we cross over to the other side and many will see that they judged God wrongly. There's some things we weren't meant to know. But he did show us the main thing that we needed to know and that is how to have salvation and spend eternity with him in heaven. Without him, this would not ever be possible. He came so that he could save us from hell. He is not a vicious God. He wants everyone to be saved.
But we can understand this: God’s permission is not the same as His approval. God allowed Adam to eat of the forbidden tree, but He did not approve of the action. In the same way, God’s allowing the Holocaust in no way suggests His approval of it. God is grieved by the sinfulness of man and the hardness of his heart (Genesis 6:6;Mark 3:5).
We also know that God has done everything possible to redeem us from the sin which would destroy us. He gave His only Son, who sacrificed His life for our sin and took our penalty. All who turn to Jesus Christ in faith are saved. The sin in this world, and horrors such as the Holocaust, are a direct result of mankind’s continued sin and rebellion against God.
In all of His doings, God is just (Psalm 145:17). The blame for the Holocaust lies squarely on the shoulders of sinful humanity. The Holocaust was the product of sinful choices made by sinful men, in rebellion against a holy God. If the Holocaust proves anything, it is the utter depravity of man. Just fourteen years after "the war to end all wars" (World War I), Hitler rose to power. What is even more shocking, is that [b]millions followed him, enabling his horrific policies and pursuing a path to national destruction.[/b]
@JSul3 [quote] - I have the right to ask questions.
So incest/inbreeding is ordained by God, when he sees fit. Got it. So is children being forced to marry too...if god approves? You can surely understand the insanity behind this.[/quote]
Nobody said you didn't have the right to ask questions. Ask away, questions are good and always welcomed, but like I said, it's not just that you were asking questions, from your answers it appears that you are judging God and blaming him for everything.
What I'm saying is, who is [u]anyone[/u] to judge God and claim they know better than Him? [b]Especially[/b] when we don't know all the details. That's like me robbing a bank and then blaming you for it. Would that be fair? It's no different. You weren't involved, and neither were we involved when God made what is always wise decisions, no matter what we think about them because we just don't know and to claim that we do and that we have the right to judge God for what he did in history, is absolutely unfair and wrongfully judgmental. God does not make mistakes. He is incapable of error, so how can we say God is unjust? Do you know him that well and all the reasons why he did things? No. None of us do so we have no right to judge God. To say that incest is okay when God sees fit, it's just outrageous. Such disrespect for God. And for you to twist that and make God the bad guy is unbelievable. So sad. How did you expect him to repopulate the Earth except by the necessity of inbreeding? It was not a sin back then, whether you accept that or not. God doesn't make mistakes and he's not a liar. Try this on for size, instead. Was it fair that your sins, mine, and the world's sins, placed an innocent Jesus on the cross, that made him suffer beyond what any man has ever suffered in the history of mankind? That should put things in perspective for you. If it wasn't for jesus, none of us would have went to heaven. He didn't have to shed his blood for the atonement of our sins, but he did. In fact he volunteered, knowing what was coming. Who do you know who loves you that much that they would die to save you? No one. We should all be grateful to him for his great sacrifice for mankind, not look for blame in him. You know good and well that God didn't force man to force children to be forced into early marriage or sex. Man does a lot of things that are against God and that's [b]man's[/b] responsibility, because MAN CHOSE to be evil. Man is responsible for his own sins. He can't be blaming God for everything bad that happens, though he would like to. It doesn't work that way.
So incest/inbreeding is ordained by God, when he sees fit. Got it. So is children being forced to marry too...if god approves? You can surely understand the insanity behind this.[/quote]
Nobody said you didn't have the right to ask questions. Ask away, questions are good and always welcomed, but like I said, it's not just that you were asking questions, from your answers it appears that you are judging God and blaming him for everything.
What I'm saying is, who is [u]anyone[/u] to judge God and claim they know better than Him? [b]Especially[/b] when we don't know all the details. That's like me robbing a bank and then blaming you for it. Would that be fair? It's no different. You weren't involved, and neither were we involved when God made what is always wise decisions, no matter what we think about them because we just don't know and to claim that we do and that we have the right to judge God for what he did in history, is absolutely unfair and wrongfully judgmental. God does not make mistakes. He is incapable of error, so how can we say God is unjust? Do you know him that well and all the reasons why he did things? No. None of us do so we have no right to judge God. To say that incest is okay when God sees fit, it's just outrageous. Such disrespect for God. And for you to twist that and make God the bad guy is unbelievable. So sad. How did you expect him to repopulate the Earth except by the necessity of inbreeding? It was not a sin back then, whether you accept that or not. God doesn't make mistakes and he's not a liar. Try this on for size, instead. Was it fair that your sins, mine, and the world's sins, placed an innocent Jesus on the cross, that made him suffer beyond what any man has ever suffered in the history of mankind? That should put things in perspective for you. If it wasn't for jesus, none of us would have went to heaven. He didn't have to shed his blood for the atonement of our sins, but he did. In fact he volunteered, knowing what was coming. Who do you know who loves you that much that they would die to save you? No one. We should all be grateful to him for his great sacrifice for mankind, not look for blame in him. You know good and well that God didn't force man to force children to be forced into early marriage or sex. Man does a lot of things that are against God and that's [b]man's[/b] responsibility, because MAN CHOSE to be evil. Man is responsible for his own sins. He can't be blaming God for everything bad that happens, though he would like to. It doesn't work that way.
JSul3 · 70-79
@LadyGrace "God doesn't make mistakes....."
So children born with defects, cancer, brain tumors....all part of 'God's plan?
I refuse to accept that....and please don't dare say it was the parent's fault.
I hope I have the opportunity to pose these questions to him myself. I question some judgements, if they ever really happened.
I sincerely appreciate you taking your valuable time to answer my questions.
So children born with defects, cancer, brain tumors....all part of 'God's plan?
I refuse to accept that....and please don't dare say it was the parent's fault.
I hope I have the opportunity to pose these questions to him myself. I question some judgements, if they ever really happened.
I sincerely appreciate you taking your valuable time to answer my questions.
@JSul3 [quote]So children born with defects, cancer, brain tumors....all part of 'God's plan? ....and please don't dare say it was the parent's fault. [/quote]
Oh no....of course it's not the parent's fault. In the very beginning when God made man, there [b]was no sin in the world[/b], and that's the way God meant it to be, so there would be no death, crimes, misery, nothing. The Garden of Eden was a purely sinless place and so beautiful. You could even call it a paradise. It was evil in the hearts of mankind that caused the fall. They chose it and nobody but them chose it. With sin, comes death, wars, diseases, consequences, imbalances in this world and imperfections. God is fair-----SIN is not.
Oh no....of course it's not the parent's fault. In the very beginning when God made man, there [b]was no sin in the world[/b], and that's the way God meant it to be, so there would be no death, crimes, misery, nothing. The Garden of Eden was a purely sinless place and so beautiful. You could even call it a paradise. It was evil in the hearts of mankind that caused the fall. They chose it and nobody but them chose it. With sin, comes death, wars, diseases, consequences, imbalances in this world and imperfections. God is fair-----SIN is not.