The Lie: Science And God Don't Mix - The Truth: God Created Science For Our Benefit

@sree251 [quote]God did not create science. We created science which is our knowledge about reality that we deem as material.[/quote]

I don't know who told you that but they told you a lie. God did create science. Without God, we would not have no brain, no knowledge we need to know about science. God gave us that knowledge. We didn't know it on our own. We're not that intelligent without the knowledge God [u]allowed[/u] us to have, though man thinks so, which shows nothing but man's arrogance in thinking he is above God and smarter than God.

We could not even [b]think[/b] before God made us, so how do you suppose we made ourselves? We are not gods. God made us and the universe and he will see that when he comes face to face with God.

@LadyGrace We don't know what God made. Our knowledge is derived from what we can perceive. We see each other as threats to be attacked and destroyed. We see everyone and everything as an exploitable resource. Even our magical moon that serves as our lamp at night is trampled on and to be used as a launching pad for nuclear weapons. Nothing is sacred in our eyes.

@sree251 yes we do know what God made and I gave you the scripture on it. There's no guessing about it and that's the way God wanted it. He gave us his words so that we would know the things of God and how things came about.

@LadyGrace You say that we do know what God made. Does "we" include the atheist?

@sree251 [quote]You say that we do know what God made. Does "we" include the atheist?[/quote]

I don't know why you keep singling out atheists. Some in this world haven't found God, for the same reason a thief can't find a cop.

@LadyGrace Atheists are no different from anyone else when it comes to knowledge about our material world. They go to school, and get educated in science too. So, everyone follows the science and perceive the same reality that you claim as made by God. Atheists reject that claim.

Finding God, to me, is finding the truth about the material world, why it seems real, and be set free from the sin of worldly life.

@sree251 [quote]Finding God, to me, is finding the truth about the material world, why it seems real, and be set free from the sin of worldly life.[/quote]

God said, "You will find Me when you search for me with all your heart. You will find Truth, in Me and My Word." The evidence of Him is seen in His beautiful creations on earth; but the evil in this world, from Satan. This world has nothing to offer us, but God does, and that is salvation through His Son Jesus Christ. God is no liar. He said unless you accept what he has said you will not see the Kingdom of God. If we leave our soul to chance and refuse to listen to God, we cannot expect a good outcome. God did not leave us to set the standard for salvation nor did he approve of it. We either accept Him as Lord and Savior, He said, or not at all.

This is why we read God's Word. In it is life and tells us exactly what we need to do to have eternal life in heaven and Whom we need to listen to, if we want salvation. [b]Jesus said, I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. NO MAN comes to MY father except by ME." We either believe him or we don't. There's no "middle ground" in His words.[/b]

@sree251 What shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his own soul? Or what will man give in exchange for his soul? Nothing in this world can substitute for Jesus and his plan for salvation. This is why you find movie stars who are already rich and have everything, feeling incomplete and hopeless. They have nothing to hope for because they do not have Jesus. Their Spirit feels empty and alone and void and that is why, because they found their pleasures through the things of this world, but did not realize how empty those pleasures are and do not last, and do not result in Salvation. This is why they end up killing themselves because their spirit longs for God and His truths. Spirit craves communication and fellowship with God. Until that is resolved by allowing Jesus to do the work he came to do in us, through His Holy Spirit, we remain separated from God the Father.

@LadyGrace You said: " The evidence of Him is seen in His beautiful creations on earth".

Have you ever actually seen those beautiful creations? To do that, one has to be fully attentive. No distractions. No voice in your head telling you what you are looking at. Have you ever been in that state of rapt attention? It is what rapture is all about. It is a state that is beyond the reach of scientific knowledge.

@sree251 I'm not blind. I don't see how anyone could not see God through his beautiful creations. They didn't just happen by chance. It doesn't take a genius to see them, even a small child can enjoy the beauty without attempting the need to evaluate it or make it complicated. We don't need scientific knowledge to enjoy it or it's beauty. Our spirit sees it as well and enjoys it.

@LadyGrace You are not blind. What if you were born blind and know neither light not darkness? Can you see God's beautiful creations then?

Once, I was at a Christian meeting at the YMCA for blind people. Some of them lost their sight through illness or physical trauma that cause the loss of sight. They still have memories of visual experience. One of them told me that he was born blind. I asked him, "do you mean to tell that you have no memories of sight and have always lived in a state of darkness?" He replied: "I don't know what is darkness. You see, I have never seen light."

@sree251 If we cannot see God with our heart and mind and spirit, then we are truly blind. Those who do not want to find God are blind to God and His light. But God's salvation is for all, even the blind and handicapped and they find peace in their Soul and Spirit because of God. Those who do not believe in God and His creation, nor His Word are truly blind. It takes faith, not sight, to find God.

Amazing grace,
How Sweet the Sound
That saved a Wretch like Me.
I once was lost
But now am found,
Twas spiritually blind,
But now I see.