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The Lie: Science Has Made God And His Word Out-Dated - The Truth: Science Gives Testimony To God and His Word

What science facts does the Bible contain that prove its validity? What knowledge is revealed that shows it was inspired by God years before the scientific community discovered them?

According to Bible Study: Our first science fact is in Genesis. It states that Noah's flood was created by the following, "on this day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up . . ." (Genesis 7:11, HBFV throughout). The word "fountains" comes from the Hebrew word mayan (Strong's Concordance #H4599) which means wells, springs or fountains of water. It took until 1977 for science to find ocean springs off Ecuador's coast that proved that such large bodies of water do indeed contains fountains spewing liquids (see The Medusa and the Snail by Lewis Thomas). These fountains or springs found in the ocean, spouting out 450-degree water, were found by science more than 3,300 years after Moses testified of their existence. This knowledge had to come from someone higher and greater than any man. It had to come from and be inspired by God!

And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot, the son of Haran, his grandson, and Sarai his daughter-in-law, his son Abram's wife. And he went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees . . . (Genesis 11:31). In the past, science based skeptics often stated that if the Bible were true then we should be able to find the ancient city of Ur where Abraham lived. The skeptics had the temporary upper hand in their argument until Ur was found in 1854 A.D.! It was discovered that the city, at one time, was a prosperous and powerful capital city and a major hub for trading. Ur not only existed, in spite of the nay saying science community, it was sophisticated and organized!

The book of Ecclesiastes was written between 970 and 930 B.C. during the reign of Solomon. It contains an often overlooked but science based statement about the wind. The wind goes toward the south, and it turns around to the north; it whirls around continually; and the wind returns on its circuits (Ecclesiastes 1:6). How could anyone, thousands of year ago, have known about the pattern of the earth's winds? This pattern was not begun to be understood by science until the early part of the 19th century. Note that Ecclesiastes 1:6 states the wind goes south then turns to the north. Man has discovered that the earth's winds do indeed go clockwise in the Northern Hemisphere, and then turns about and goes counter clockwise in the Southern Hemisphere! Solomon said the wind whirls about continually. How could an observer on the ground possibly know that winds can move constantly since such consistency occurs only at high altitudes? This statement about the earth's winds would not make any sense to those living in Solomon's day. His inspired fact is yet another one in God's word that was ultimately proven true by modern science.

Early man thought earth was flat as a pancake. Scripture, however, tells us something different. God, who made all the science facts we take for granted possible, states in Isaiah that he is the one who sits on top of the circle of the earth! It is He Who sits above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers (Isaiah 40:22). The book of Isaiah was written between 757 and 696 B.C. Yet the understanding that the earth actually was round did not become a generally accepted fact of science until the Renaissance! Isaiah's writing about a circular earth, more than twenty-five hundred years ago, was correct!

What did humans living many years ago believe held up the earth? The book "World Mythology" by Donna Rosenberg (1994 edition) states many believed it "rested on the back of a turtle." The book "Myths & Legends" by Neil Philip states that Hindus, Greeks and others believed the world was "held up by a man, elephant, catfish, or some other physical support." Job is the oldest written Biblical book, dating to around 1660s B.C. Note what it says regarding how God "hung" the earth when he created it, a fact which any science in his day could by no means prove! He stretches out the north over the empty space, and He hung the earth on nothing (Job 26:7). When we look at earth against the backdrop of the rest of the universe, does it not look like it is just hanging in space, hanging from nothing? Gravity, which science is only now coming to understand, is the invisible force that holds the earth "up" in outer space.

Scoffers throughout history have maligned the accuracy of the Bible and considered it nothing more than a collection of fables and fairy tales. Over time, however, true science has consistently proven it statements to be correct and accurate. God's word has, and will continue to be, completely reliable on every subject it addresses.

Scoffers will always continue to scoff at God and His Word but will never be able to disprove it no matter how hard they try. Sad, really.
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Richard65 · M
You're constantly trying to "prove" the existence of God. Your religion is wholly faith based, that's how God judges your worth - by the sheer depth of faith you have in His existence. The definition of faith is belief without evidence, that's the entire point of a faith-based religion. Without faith your religion is worthless. By insisting you can prove God exists because the evidence is incontestable, you're saying there's no need of faith because you have the evidence. You're entirely negating the primary tenet of your own religion.
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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Richard65 @originnone [quote]You're constantly trying to "prove" the existence of God.[/quote]

No. Just pitting the Truth of God against the lies of men.
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Richard65 · M
@GodSpeed63 BS, you're metaphorically combing the Bible, looking for evidence like an archeologist. You actually have no idea about your own religion.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Richard65 [quote]You actually have no idea about your own religion.[/quote]

What religion would that be?
Richard65 · M
@GodSpeed63 a religion that's faith-based.
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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Richard65 @originnone [quote]a religion that's faith-based[/quote]

Man made or no?
Richard65 · M
@GodSpeed63 what kind of bogus deflection is that? Your profile says you're a born-again Christian who loves Jesus. In the Bible, Mark says, 'Then Jesus said to the disciples, “Have faith in God. I tell you the truth, you can say to this mountain, 'May you be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and it will happen. But you must really believe it will happen and have no doubt in your heart.'

In other words, Jesus is emphasising the importance of pure faith. You can try and deflect as much as you like, but you're wrong and you know it, as does anyone else reading your post. You're a typical bogus Christian, with no real idea what you're talking about.
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ArcAngel · 61-69, M
@Richard65
Heb 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things not seen.
Love, Light and Peace,
Scott
Richard65 · M
@ArcAngel it depends on the translation. Some translations substitute evidence for assurance or conviction. But if the translation states evidence, it means:

"Now faith is the assurance (title deed, substance, confirmation) of things hoped for (divinely guaranteed), and the evidence of things not seen [the conviction of their reality—faith comprehends as fact what cannot be experienced by the physical senses]."

Most translations agree on the basic meaning:

"Faith is what makes real the things we hope for. It is proof of what we cannot see."

Godspeed is actually citing "real" evidence from a scientific, geographic or archaeological sense, taken from Bible passages, and in attempting to do that, he's substituting faith for tangible evidence. He even says it's to "prove its (the Bible's) validity", but the guy's sin of pride won't allow him to admit the error of his ways.
ArcAngel · 61-69, M
@Richard65
I don't know, I think he's got a lot of guts.
Love, Light and Peace,
Scott
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Richard65 · M
@ArcAngel guts or not, he's completely misread the primary tenet of his religion, so his courage counts for nothing.
ArcAngel · 61-69, M
@Richard65
All is choice.
Love, Light and Peace,
Scott
originnone · 61-69, M
@Richard65 You've posted an inordinate number of bible verses for someone who knows absolutely nothing about what they mean.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Richard65 [quote] but you're wrong and you know it, as does anyone else reading your post. You're a typical bogus Christian, with no real idea what you're talking about.[/quote]

Who are you to quote Scripture? Jesus also said that we must born again in order to see the kingdom of God. Religion has nothing to do with it. If you want to how God feels about religion, read Mathew 23.
Richard65 · M
@GodSpeed63 I can quote any passage I like. What a ridiculous statement to make. I've explained your error, but your pride won't allow you to admit it.
Here endeth the lesson.
ArcAngel · 61-69, M
@Richard65
In the late 1990's, after much prayer and pouring out all the love that I could muster to
God and the Angels, and reading all through the Keys, I was reading in the section of
Key 3-0-9 about physical biosatellites up to fifty miles in length and twelve miles in
diameter that will house the millions of emigrants that will proceed to other physical planets.
And there was much said about the wonderfull amenities regarding these ships. And he said these
are the advanced gifts reserved for the physical "elect" who have proved worthy of the Kingdom of
the Father and who have been preserved in physical bodies to work with the technology of
the Higher Evolution. Some will be "gardeners" and "caretakers" of the earths and the regions
of the lower heavens. And while I was thinking boy I hope that includes me, all of a sudden
I heard a low frequency crackeling sound and from the very marrow of my bones, I saw tiny
bright pulsating diamonds of Light protruding out of my arms and as they reached my skin,
they got larger and larger until they were surrounding my entire body. And they were all
different colors; blue, yellow, gold, white and crystal clear. And I felt the Great Love
of the Father; so intense was this Love; and the Power was beyond belief. And I was so
excited, I didn't know what to do with my self. I experienced for a moment the eternity
domain. And it wasn't until two months or so when I moved to upstate New York, the
finger lakes region, and I was studing with a woman who was a double Michael fragment who
had the gift of communicating with the High Ones as she put it, Michael, Metatron, and
others who told me that the pulsating diamonds of Light were Angels. And then I realized
that I was in no need of physical ships for I come from the Angelic Realm. And at around the
same time I experienced the Angels, I received in my third eye through telethought communication,
a clear picture of the lower third part of a bicycle with a woman's boot on the petals. And
I didn't understand what that meant. Jumping foward to the finger lakes while I was in a Hebrew
book store, I came across a pamphlet, that stated that the definition of Ophanim, was "bicycle."


The Ophanim are the messengers of Light from the higher heavens of the Father, uniquely placed
at the crossroads of space, as the network for governing and implanting "new realization."
When the prophets of the ancient civilizations made contact with the higher worlds, invariably
the contact was made through the Ophanim messengers of Light. The Ophanim carefully select
individuals in each of the planetary societies who have the ability of prophethood and carry
the understanding of the higher creation.
They supervise the crucial aspects of growth within hiearchical ranks of the heavens and
protect the higher teachings from falling into the hands of the lesser forces of Light, and
from the rebellious brotherhoods, who do not serve the Father's Hierarchy of Light.
Therefore' the Ophanim guide the thought-forms from the Father's Thrones and Dominions into
proper levels of instruction.
There is also a distinct aspect of the Ophanim's work which is synonymous with "Wheels-within-
Wheels, the appearance force of the Merkabah as it comes into physical manifestation. The
Ophanim are closely identified with the Merkabah which is used to announce the Cosmic Law
of YHWH and bring scripture to the lower planetary worlds.
The Ophanim also make the Merkabah available to the other Orders of Higher Intelligence
so as to carry out specific functions:
to guide men to the know-
ledge of the Infinite Way;
to minister to disembodied
entities on the physical
and spiritual planets;
to protect man from belief
systems which are incon-
sistent with the Love and
Light of the Cosmic Law;
to guard mankind from the
extraterrestrial intelli-
gences that would radi-
cally change the balance
and flow design between
kingdoms of creation;
and
to regenerate and resurrect
the faithful remnant of a
"seed creation" when the
powers of Michael and
Christ converge to bring
one design of creation
into the "new heavens"
of YHWH.
There are several Orders of Ophanim extending from the Higher Evolutionary Orders to the
Princely Ophanim who dispatch the Mid-Way programmers to govern the lower heavens.
There are also special Orders of Ophanim who command the 'Deca-Delta' ( Ten Light emanations
working through a pyramidal conic section which arranges the blueprint of life. In relation-
ship to the 'divine recorder cell,' a unique pyramidal energy network formed by ten
Light superscripts of the Divine Mind. The network is an energy habitat for Sephirothic
life forms which issue forth from each level of higher universal substance to form the
olam yihud, the world of unifications. The manifold of energy through which procedural
initiatives are dispatched in establishing the matter-energy typologies for proper
balance between the lower and higher worlds to coordinate creation.) manifestations to
target interplanetary grids. These are Ophanim who can work with the limitations on the
edge of a Mansion World.

And I wondered how they knew a couple of months back, that I would find that pamphlet.
They looked foward in time.


And when I was living near the finger lakes, I had an even greater experience. One night
during a sleep cycle I was taken out of my body and time-translated to my High Self back
when the asteriod belt was the planet Maldek. Now Maldek was inhabited with very dark
reptilian beings and my High Self was a GALAXY OF PURE CONSCIOUSNESS WHITE LIGHT, a God,
not a god, or a GOD, but a God, and as I passed by Maldek the planet exploded because it
was the Father's Will that the reptoids be destroyed, so I utterly destroyed it. In the
higher realms it's much easier to feel your Godness. It's much harder to feel your godness
down here on earth because of the lower vibratary levels. Now Metatron told me that I
come from a very High Place. The experience was beyond ecstasy. YHWH's creation is so
HUGE, there is so much room, so much space. Now even though I was created an exhalted
being, I still remain very humble and meek, just like Moses: Num 12:3 ( Now the man Moses
was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.) And Jesus was
meek also Mt: 21:4,5 All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by
the prophet, saying,
TELL YE THE DAUGHTER OF SI'-ON, BEHOLD, THY KING COMETH UNTO THEE, MEEK, AND SITTING
UPON AN ASS, AND A COLT THE FOAL OF AN ASS. Luke 9:48 And he said unto them, whoso-
ever receive this child in my name receiveth me; and whosoever shall receive me
receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be
great. 14:11 for whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth
himself shall be exalted. Jud 6:15 And he said unto him, Oh my Lord, wherewith
shall I save Isreal? behold my family is poor in Manas'-seh, and I am the least in
my father's house. 1 Sam 17:33 And Saul said to David, Thou are not able to go
against this Philis'-tine to fight with him: for thou art but a youth, and he a
man of war from his youth.

I took these experiences as a sign and a witness that I should
study this Great Work, the Keys of Enoch.

Love, Light and Peace,
Scott
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Richard65 [quote]I can quote any passage I like.[/quote]

Sure you can but, without the Spirit of God, you'll never understand its meaning.
Richard65 · M
@GodSpeed63 oh, the irony of your last comment... 😏
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Richard65 [quote]oh, the irony of your last comment... [/quote]

Care to elaborate?
originnone · 61-69, M
@GodSpeed63 God, will you shut up!?
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@GodSpeed63 @originnone @Richard65 [quote]oh, the irony of your last comment... [/quote]

Can't think of anything, Richard? Okay. What's the matter with you, origin?