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The Lie: God Was Created - The Truth: God Was Never Created

Psalm 102:12

But You, O Lord, abide forever,
And Your name to all generations.

Isaiah 40:28

Do you not know? Have you not heard?
The Everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth
Does not become weary or tired.
His understanding is inscrutable.

Habakkuk 1:12

Are You not from everlasting,
O Lord, my God, my Holy One?
We will not die.
You, O Lord, have appointed them to judge;
And You, O Rock, have established them to correct.

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/God,-The-Eternal

Regardless of what people may think, Yahweh, the God of the Holy Bible, lives forever. He has no beginning and He has no end.

Once at a conference, I had a boy about ten years of age come up and ask me, “Sir, if God created us, who created God?” How do you answer that question for a young child?

Well, I said to him, “If someone made God, then you would have to have a bigger God.”

The boy replied, “Yes, sir.”

I said, “But now you have a problem—who made the bigger God? You would then need a bigger, bigger God who made the bigger God who made God.” I then went on, “Who made the bigger, bigger God? Now you would need a bigger, bigger, bigger God who made the bigger, bigger God who made the bigger God who made God.” The young boy understood.

We could keep going back with bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger forever . . . and then have to keep going. The only thing that makes sense is to have the biggest God of all—the infinite, eternal God of the Bible. The only one true God who has always existed. He had no beginning.

Now, that is difficult, impossible really, for us to understand because we are created, finite beings. The space, mass, time universe we live in was created. We think in terms of everything having a beginning because we are finite beings who had a beginning. This means there will always be a faith aspect to understanding who God is. We can’t scientifically prove God exists in an absolute sense because we don’t have all information. Only God does. That’s why God’s Word states,

And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him. (Hebrews 11:6) Ken Ham @ Answers In Genesis
I like this post! Amen, brother. Psalm 90:2 says, “From forever in the past to forever in the future, you are God.” God is so unlimited in power, that time and space cannot bind Him or define Him. He created a universe that has no beginning and no end (Genesis 1:1).
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
Asking who created the Creator is just pointless.
Lynda70 · F
@GodSpeed63 Just as I thought, you can't prove your imaginary friend is real. You're just hot air and bluster.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Lynda70 [quote]Just as I thought, you can't prove your imaginary friend is real. You're just hot air and bluster.[/quote]

I see you still have nothing, Lynda. Good day to you.
Lynda70 · F
@GodSpeed63 I see you're still just hot air and bluster Nothing of any substance whatsoever. Your silly god thing remains nothing more than a figment of your imagination.
I love these, too:

Colossians 1:16-18 - "For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: ALL things were created by him, and for him:

17 And He is before all things, and by Him, ALL things consist.
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
Square one: You believe you were born - You believe that because your parents told you so and because you've seen babies born and because, if you are a parent, you've been through the process. But YOU can't remember your birth!
So: Belief is based on experience and trust.

Now: Look around you - Look at the world you live in; look at the beauty, the way it renews itself, the way it sustains the life we and all things living things enjoy - the mystery of how it all happens - and compare it to your birth - the birth that you can't remember. But you trust the earth.

Now: Ask yourself why - Why does this happen? You know from experience that it is good and fruitful to have a purpose. If there is no purpose either to our lives or to nature's beauty and bounty then we empty and useless and we are not happy! You live each day trusting that tomorrow will come and that you will continue to live toward your purpose.

And: We do know that there is purpose - the purpose is to prove our 'given' souls (our life-force) as being 'good' - good for each other, good for our own well-being, good for tending to the earth itself. We trust that we will receive 'more' for doing good.

And: Having tried in our purpose that we strive for 'good,' we believe our souls are worthy of saving and for passing into another 'eternal' life. We trust in what past generations have believed and passed on to us as their belief.

Back to square one: You believe. That is sufficient. Proof is when God decides that He accepts your soul as "good". You need not understand how you were created (where your soul came from), but you should understand that you do have a living soul and that God will examine it (for a second time) and then you will have proof, not just belief.

People are arrogant: Many do not trust to just believe. You have to trust - every time you draw a breath there is a purpose for it!
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@JollyRoger [quote]???????[/quote]

Never mind.
ArcAngel · 61-69, M
@JollyRoger
Exellent! You are ready for the Keys of Enoch.
Scott
ArcAngel · 61-69, M
@JollyRoger
In the late 1990's, after much prayer and pouring out all the love that I could muster to
God and the Angels, and reading all through the Keys, I was reading in the section of
Key 3-0-9 about physical biosatellites up to fifty miles in length and twelve miles in
diameter that will house the millions of emigrants that will proceed to other physical planets.
And there was much said about the wonderfull amenities regarding these ships. And he said these
are the advanced gifts reserved for the physical "elect" who have proved worthy of the Kingdom of
the Father and who have been preserved in physical bodies to work with the technology of
the Higher Evolution. Some will be "gardeners" and "caretakers" of the earths and the regions
of the lower heavens. And while I was thinking boy I hope that includes me, all of a sudden
I heard a low frequency crackeling sound and from the very marrow of my bones, I saw tiny
bright pulsating diamonds of Light protruding out of my arms and as they reached my skin,
they got larger and larger until they were surrounding my entire body. And they were all
different colors; blue, yellow, gold, white and crystal clear. And I felt the Great Love
of the Father; so intense was this Love; and the Power was beyond belief. And I was so
excited, I didn't know what to do with my self. I experienced for a moment the eternity
domain. And it wasn't until two months or so when I moved to upstate New York, the
finger lakes region, and I was studing with a woman who was a double Michael fragment who
had the gift of communicating with the High Ones as she put it, Michael, Metatron, and
others who told me that the pulsating diamonds of Light were Angels. And then I realized
that I was in no need of physical ships for I come from the Angelic Realm. And at around the
same time I experienced the Angels, I received in my third eye through telethought communication,
a clear picture of the lower third part of a bicycle with a woman's boot on the petals. And
I didn't understand what that meant. Jumping foward to the finger lakes while I was in a Hebrew
book store, I came across a pamphlet, that stated that the definition of Ophanim, was "bicycle."


The Ophanim are the messengers of Light from the higher heavens of the Father, uniquely placed
at the crossroads of space, as the network for governing and implanting "new realization."
When the prophets of the ancient civilizations made contact with the higher worlds, invariably
the contact was made through the Ophanim messengers of Light. The Ophanim carefully select
individuals in each of the planetary societies who have the ability of prophethood and carry
the understanding of the higher creation.
They supervise the crucial aspects of growth within hiearchical ranks of the heavens and
protect the higher teachings from falling into the hands of the lesser forces of Light, and
from the rebellious brotherhoods, who do not serve the Father's Hierarchy of Light.
Therefore' the Ophanim guide the thought-forms from the Father's Thrones and Dominions into
proper levels of instruction.
There is also a distinct aspect of the Ophanim's work which is synonymous with "Wheels-within-
Wheels, the appearance force of the Merkabah as it comes into physical manifestation. The
Ophanim are closely identified with the Merkabah which is used to announce the Cosmic Law
of YHWH and bring scripture to the lower planetary worlds.
The Ophanim also make the Merkabah available to the other Orders of Higher Intelligence
so as to carry out specific functions:
to guide men to the know-
ledge of the Infinite Way;
to minister to disembodied
entities on the physical
and spiritual planets;
to protect man from belief
systems which are incon-
sistent with the Love and
Light of the Cosmic Law;
to guard mankind from the
extraterrestrial intelli-
gences that would radi-
cally change the balance
and flow design between
kingdoms of creation;
and
to regenerate and resurrect
the faithful remnant of a
"seed creation" when the
powers of Michael and
Christ converge to bring
one design of creation
into the "new heavens"
of YHWH.
There are several Orders of Ophanim extending from the Higher Evolutionary Orders to the
Princely Ophanim who dispatch the Mid-Way programmers to govern the lower heavens.
There are also special Orders of Ophanim who command the 'Deca-Delta' ( Ten Light emanations
working through a pyramidal conic section which arranges the blueprint of life. In relation-
ship to the 'divine recorder cell,' a unique pyramidal energy network formed by ten
Light superscripts of the Divine Mind. The network is an energy habitat for Sephirothic
life forms which issue forth from each level of higher universal substance to form the
olam yihud, the world of unifications. The manifold of energy through which procedural
initiatives are dispatched in establishing the matter-energy typologies for proper
balance between the lower and higher worlds to coordinate creation.) manifestations to
target interplanetary grids. These are Ophanim who can work with the limitations on the
edge of a Mansion World.

And I wondered how they knew a couple of months back, that I would find that pamphlet.
They looked foward in time.


And when I was living near the finger lakes, I had an even greater experience. One night
during a sleep cycle I was taken out of my body and time-translated to my High Self back
when the asteriod belt was the planet Maldek. Now Maldek was inhabited with very dark
reptilian beings and my High Self was a GALAXY OF PURE CONSCIOUSNESS WHITE LIGHT, a God,
not a god, or a GOD, but a God, and as I passed by Maldek the planet exploded because it
was the Father's Will that the reptoids be destroyed, so I utterly destroyed it. In the
higher realms it's much easier to feel your Godness. It's much harder to feel your godness
down here on earth because of the lower vibratary levels. Now Metatron told me that I
come from a very High Place. The experience was beyond ecstasy. YHWH's creation is so
HUGE, there is so much room, so much space. Now even though I was created an exhalted
being, I still remain very humble and meek, just like Moses: Num 12:3 ( Now the man Moses
was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.) And Jesus was
meek also Mt: 21:4,5 All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by
the prophet, saying,
TELL YE THE DAUGHTER OF SI'-ON, BEHOLD, THY KING COMETH UNTO THEE, MEEK, AND SITTING
UPON AN ASS, AND A COLT THE FOAL OF AN ASS. Luke 9:48 And he said unto them, whoso-
ever receive this child in my name receiveth me; and whosoever shall receive me
receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be
great. 14:11 for whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth
himself shall be exalted. Jud 6:15 And he said unto him, Oh my Lord, wherewith
shall I save Isreal? behold my family is poor in Manas'-seh, and I am the least in
my father's house. 1 Sam 17:33 And Saul said to David, Thou are not able to go
against this Philis'-tine to fight with him: for thou art but a youth, and he a
man of war from his youth.

I took these experiences as a sign and a witness that I should
study this Great Work, the Keys of Enoch.

Love, Light and Peace,
Scott
ArcAngel · 61-69, M
The reason why I tell you to get the Knowledge and the Wisdom into you is because it is our
Father YHWH's Will.



Knowledge:
Num 24:16
He hath said, which heard the words of YHWH, and knew the Knowledge of the most High,
which saw the vision of the Almighty, falling into a trance, but having his eyes open.
2 Cro 1:10,11
Give me now Wisdom and Knowledge...
And YHWH said to Solomon, because this was in thine heart, and thou hast not asked riches,
wealth, or honour, nor the life of thine enemies, neither yet hast asked long life; but has asked
Wisdom and Knowledge for thyself...
Job 38:2
Who is this that darkeneth council by words without Knowledge?
Ps 119:66
Teach me good judgement and Knowledge...
Pro 1:7,22,29 2:5,6,10 8:9,10,12 9:10 10:14 11:9 13:16 14:7,18 15:2,7,14 17:27 18:15
19:2 .27 20:15 22:17 23:12 24:5,14
The fear of the YHWH is the beginning of Knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? And the scorners delight in their scorning, and
fools hate Knowledge?
For that they hated Knowledge, and did not choose the fear of YHWH.
Then shalt thou understand the fear of YHWH, and find the Knowledge of YHWH.
For YHWH giveth Wisdom: out of his mouth cometh Knowledge and Understanding.
When Wisdom entereth into thine heart, and Knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul.

And look up the rest of the verses listed above and below.

Isa 11:2 33:6
Jer 3:15
Dan 1:4,17 2:21 5:21 12:4


Hab 2:14
Mal 2:7
Luke 11:52
1Cor 1:5 12:8
2Cor 4:6 6:6 10:5
Eph 4:13
Col 1:9,10 3:10
2 Pet 1:2,3,5,8 3:18
1 Jn 2:20




Wisdom

Deut 4:6 34:9
Keep therefore and do them; for this your Wisdom and your understanding...
And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the Spirit of Wisdom...
1 Kg 3:28 4:29,30
And all Israel heard of the judgement which the king had judged; and they feared the king: for they
saw that the Wisdom of YHWH was in him...
And YHWH gave Solomon Wisdom and Understanding exceeding much...
And Solomon's Wisdom excelled the wisdom of all the children of the east country, and all the
wisdom of Egypt.

The rest of the verses are listed below.

2 Cro 1:11,12
Ezra 7:25
Job 12:12 ,13,16 28:18 38:36
Ps 37:30 51:6 90:12 111:10 119:100
Pro 1:2 ,7 2:2 ,6 ,7,10,11 3:13,15,17,21 4:5,6,7,8,11 5:1 8:11,12 9:10 10:31 11:2 15:33
16:16 23:23 24:7,14 28:6 Ecc 1:13,16 2:13,26 7:12,25 8:1 9:15,16
Isa 11:2 33:6
Dan 5:11,14
Mt 13:54
Luke 2:40,52
Acts 6:10 7:10,22
1 Cor 1:24,30 2:6
Eph 1:8,17
Col 1:9,28 3:16
2 Pet 3:15
Rev 5:12 7:12 13:18



Love, Light, Peace and in the Wisdom and Knowledge of YHWH,
Scott
ArcAngel · 61-69, M
We have to shift our focus of doing everything for
“ME” seeking pleasure and worldly gain even in our
spiritual work to focusing on “WE”. We have to move
away from competition to cooperation. This is how
our more advanced galactic brothers and sisters
operate and how the Higher Angelic Orders function.
I am writing this because this is what I am working
on. For years I was just studying and gaining
knowledge and wisdom just for myself and I wasn't
sharing with others. All I wanted to do was to
ascend and ESCAPE this planet and only have higher
experiences. But the more I learn the more I realize
how little I know and it truly humbles me. In fact
the more I realize my greater divinity, the more humble
I become.

Love, Light and Peace,
Scott
ArcAngel · 61-69, M
The Old Testament was the age of the Father, the New Testament
was the age of the Son; we are now living not in the new age, but
the age of the Holy Spirit.
Scott
@ArcAngel You can't seperate the Trinity. They always work in harmony as One. The Bible attests to the fact that the Holy Spirit and Jesus were there and took part in the beginning of creation:

Genesis 1:26 - "And God says, “Let US make man in OUR image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over [the] fish of the sea, and over [the] bird of the heavens, and ..."

Psalm 90:2 says, “From forever in the past to forever in the future, you are God.” God is so unlimited in power, that time and space cannot bind Him or define Him. He created a universe that has no beginning and no end (Genesis 1:1).
ArcAngel · 61-69, M
@LadyGrace
Yes what you say is true, but down here on earth, we
are bound by a consciousness time zone. Within an
Alpha-Omega program. Therefore there are different ages
or aeons.
Scott
@ArcAngel We're still not living in "the Age of the Holy Spirit". He's [u]always[/u] [i]been[/i] here. I will believe in the truths of God's Word over man's, man-made philosophy, [b]any[/b] day.
Graylight · 51-55, F
Great. Now, for the 100th time, prove the Bible is accurate and the word of God.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@Graylight I find it hard to believe they aren't embarrassed to spout these things. If logic were a sword, they've brought a cheese grater for all of the holes in it.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@ViciDraco @Graylight [quote]I find it hard to believe they aren't embarrassed to spout these things. If logic were a sword, they've brought a cheese grater for all of the holes in it.[/quote]

The Logic of Christ is a two edged sword that can cut through any logic of man.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@GodSpeed63 Oh, OK. Well, the lasso of truth Wonder Woman uses has no edges, only the embrace of honesty. I read it.
ArcAngel · 61-69, M
Praise YHWH, He is the GOD of all Gods:
Jos 22:22
The Lord God of gods, The Lord God of gods, he knoweth...
Scott
DocSavage · M
No he was never created. He’s just made up
Laffytaffy · 22-25, F
@DocSavage *reincarnates into a weed*
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
@Laffytaffy (I'm picking on you - lightly - to make a point): I understand your humor, but I disagree with your statement that he would reincarnate. We each have our own beliefs and I won't minimize any , but I will iterate mine: God gave us a soul - a spirit that we exude as we move among each other for the duration of our life here on earth (or soon - if space travel begins - wherever we may go!). But, when our life is over (death arrives), our soul is taken out of our body and our body returns to the earth. Our soul then goes to 'another place' where it is invisible to us here among the living (no, I can't describe it - I only surmise it), but it is there with our ancestors (all those who have lived and died - good and bad). My human mind cannot fathom how that is, but it is my belief because of the Book of Revelations 20.4 and also from the words of First Thessalonians 4.16 and several others: For all souls must rise to be judged. (I put very little credibility to the word "rise" as that may be just a human rationalization - the same as angels having wings)
So, believing that my soul will wait for the Judgement Day, I do not believe that when I die I will
'instantaneously' rise to see "Heaven". Not to fear though: God's time is not 'our' time so it may be a very short visit for me and my contemporaries in that realm. The bottom line is: Is your soul prepared for the Judgement Day, i.e., have you done your best (not perfection) to show evidence to the 'Judges' that it should be allowed into the eternal afterlife and not discarded into the "abyss" - whatever that is?
Therefore, I believe souls are unique (only used once) and not reincarnated. Yes, people may have feelings that we have been 'somewhere' before, but I take those to be tricks of our stored memories all from our current life and learning.
ArcAngel · 61-69, M
Great comments, what you say is true but there Is
proof and you will find it in the Keys of Enoch.
Scott
ArcAngel · 61-69, M
@LadyGrace
Yes but that is a prophesy from the past. In 1973
the latest prophesy is speaking of the Higher knowledge
of God which speaks of the Lords of Light, the Brotherhood
of Light and many other orders. Read the Keys and see
what happens to you. If I didn't have my profound
experiences, I would agree with you.
Scott
ArcAngel · 61-69, M
@LadyGrace If you really read the Keys you would not
have said that. I've read the Keys hundreds of times and
I still do not comprehend them all. They are written in a
language of Light and on seven different levels. And if I
didn't have my profound experiences I would not bother.
@ArcAngel You may believe that but I never will. It doesn't match up with the Bible, though you're trying your best to force it to fit.
ArcAngel · 61-69, M
Also, there are mant biblical references in the Keys and he
tells you to read the Torah Or ( the Old and
New Testaments). So this is an extention of the scriptures just
like all the other prophet books were extentions of their past
prophesies.
@ArcAngel He tries his best to tie his new age thinking into the Bible but it doesn't work. Plain and simple.
@ArcAngel Don't forget, even Satan knows scripture backward and forwards, but he twists that, as well. He's not going to heaven.

ArcAngel · 61-69, M
I don't know why, but I think I am not receiving your comments in my email box. The last
email I received was saturday 5/13/23, ever since then I haven't received anything. So I am
sorry if I didn't respond to your comments, I'm just not getting anything.

Love, Light and Peace,
Scott
ArcAngel · 61-69, M
@ArcAngel
I've fixed my email.
Love, Light and Peace,
Scott
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
So, why do you start with the belief in an eternal God rather than an eternal universe? A universe that has always existed does not require a creator, just in the same way that you explain your creator not needing a creator. It seems kind of arbitrary to determine that the universe cannot be eternal but its creator can be.
@ViciDraco [quote]As for the Bible as a historical reference, it's fairly deeply flawed. Occasionally contradicts itself.[/quote]

Man creates problems for himself, when he assumes God's Word is flawed. The only thing flawed, is the unbeliever's interpretation of it. There's no way he can decipher it's true meaning, without the Holy Spirit. God's Word says this. He'll get it wrong every time. God's word says in order to interpret scripture and understand it, one must first receive the Holy Spirit, through salvation.

There's a way that "seems" right to man, but the end thereof, is death. Both physical and spiritual death, without Jesus as Savior. That's what God said in His Word. There are [i]many[/i] things the unbeliever just doesn't and can't understand, nor even know what to consider, when reading the Word of God. Things may [u]appear[/u] contradictory, but with careful bible study, they are found not to be contradictory at all.

1 Corinthians 1:18-31
"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish, foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God."

One must consider the context it was written in, the writers of the Bible spanned centuries, lived in different times and places, faced different circumstances (personal and political), and responded to those circumstances from the point of view of their settings in life. A book that brings all of this under one cover is, of course, going to exhibit a lot of [i]diversity[/i].

What are referred to as “contradictions” are only so, if one assumes that the purpose of inspiration (however it works) is to align or override the down-to-earth diverse voices we actually encounter in the Bible.

Inspiration is a matter of faith, and no matter how fervently it is believed, that doesn’t mean it is [i]comprehended[/i]. The Bible we have, is a diverse and complex literary product, not reflecting consistently just one point of view. We can, and should say, that inspiration, must include in its definition, the notion that the Bible was written and then edited by people living in, and reflecting, their particular time and place.

Modern archaeology has helped us realize that the Bible is historically accurate, even in the smallest of details. There have been thousands of archaeological discoveries in the past century, that support every book of the Bible. The biblical manuscripts have been reliably transmitted from the authors to us today. How do we know? The message of salvation in the Bible, which is most important to know, has not changed, and the remaining text has remained in perfect harmony through the ages. In fact, the Bible is the only Book that tells our future with 100% accuracy, and has fulfilled all prophecies, to date! But I'm not going to do all the work for people. I have spent countless hours studying the Bible, learning so much from it, and I expect others can, and should, do the same, as my eyes just are not good enough anymore, to do the work for them. I can barely see. Careful study will show that what I have said is true. Thank you.
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
@ViciDraco Good replies (better than your self-leading ones). So you are an analyst. As an analyst you need a broad perspective to be able to draw inferences from the abstract in order to solve the problems your bosses present to you. However, all of your problems are concrete i.e., they do have an origin in human creation and in human history. @ArcAngel has brought up a point that I propose for you to answer: Man only, has coined the name Universe as the ONE realm for all creation (beyond earth) - who says (as @ArcAngel postulates) that God didn't create many so-called 'Universes'? Who are we (in our ignorance) to define how creation began. Yes, your postulate "So who created God" is out there and unanswered, but just as amino acids, proteins and other hydrocarbons come together to create flesh - where does the 'life' in plant and animal beings come from? - And I know that neither you nor I can answer that question. If you are not marveling at the beauty of your own life (definition - Marveling: Filled with wonder or astonishment) and all the life around you just because you need to find their source - then you are analyzing much too deeply and wasting your life solving mechanical and production problems rather than getting the true broader perspective in order to (help) resolve the issues that impede people from living in peace and harmony as God intended: issues like, racism, agricultural poverty (famine), nationalism, mental illness, family abuse, sexual exploitation, (just to name a few). Please note that these issues are problems caused by human indifference - not God's willingness or neglect. I suspect you are a valuable person in your realm of influence.... but if you are seeking to define 'God' by questioning the unknown and ignoring the evidence of beauty and life itself, then you are out of your realm.
ArcAngel · 61-69, M
@JollyRoger
I like your comments, you are very intelligent. Expand
your knowledge by getting the Keys of Enoch or just
type jjhurtakvidieos into your search engine and check
out the interviews.
Love, Light and Peace,
Scott
originnone · 61-69, M
Ok...this is what I don't get....and never did....why would you quote a text that people don't believe to prove a point....
Laffytaffy · 22-25, F
Did God created Repeating decimals?
@Laffytaffy indirectly. He created man with 10 fingers who used them to create decimal numbers. Thus, you get repeating decimals when you divide by 3
Laffytaffy · 22-25, F
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP And don't forget when dividing by 7 you get repeating strings of 142857.
Lynda70 · F
@Laffytaffy It's a miracle!
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