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Alyosha · 31-35, M
One is more valuable than the other.
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This is true to a certain degree but, you don’t mention the fact and neither did he, that many alliances and deals where made with local tribes about land. Many tribal chiefs murdered one another and there where a great many wars going on before the missionaries ever arrived. Many tribes looked for protection from the missionaries. It’s not a two viewpoint issue. A lot of South Africa was also uninhabited at the time.
Gloomy · F
@CrystalSkull I wouldn't dismiss the effects of colonialism on todays world.

I would take a more nuanced approach to the subject of violence.
@Gloomy I agree. And a nuanced approach to human nature.
ArcAngel · 61-69, M
@CrystalSkull
Yes we should not be violent, but put on the breastplate
of faith and the helmet of hope. As the Higher energy
comes down to our planet, those who are in the Light
will become more peacefull and Christ-like and those
who are not in the Light will go down into violence,
death and destruction.
Scott
Gloomy · F
Missionairies were and still are colonialist trash.
Carazaa · F
@BritishFailedAesthetic I have prayer partners, and a bible study group, and I go and worship at times. But my knowledge is from Gods word.
@Carazaa That's great but trust me- find a bible believing church
Carazaa · F
@BritishFailedAesthetic I do and I fellowship with many people, go to prayer groups, Bible studies, and tithe to many missions and churches..
SW-User
The basic presumption of virtually all missionaries is simply that what they have and believe should be believed by others who know nothing of it. They are blind to any perception and knowledge of the Universal Christ who "lights all who come into the world". Instead of the recognition that Christ may already be known to others, has made Himself known, in ways beyond the missionaries ken, they instead presume the ignorance of those they go to. They are blind to the spirit that blows where it will.

Thomas Merton has said this much better than I, in a letter to the zen man D.T. Suzuki:-

I want to speak for this Western world.................which has in past centuries broken in upon you and brought you our own confusion, our own alienation, our own decrepitude, our lack of culture, our lack of faith...........If I wept until the end of the world, I could not signify enough of what this tragedy means. If only we had thought of coming to you to learn something..............If only we had thought of coming to you and loving you for what you are in yourselves, instead of trying to make you over into our own image and likeness. For me it is clearly evident that you and I have in common and share most intimately precisely that which, in the eyes of conventional Westerners, would seem to separate us. The fact that you are a Zen Buddhist and I am a Christian monk, far from separating us, makes us most like one another. How many centuries is it going to take for people to discover this fact?......

Yes. How many centuries?
@SW-User Merton was right.
SW-User
@SomeMichGuy A few more words of Merton, from another letter of his to Pablo Antonio Cuadra, a fellow poet:-

“It is my belief that we should not be too sure of having found Christ in ourselves until we have found him also in the part of humanity that is most remote from our own” and “God speaks, and God is to be heard, not only on Sinai, not only in my own heart, by in the voice of the stranger”
@SW-User This last seems somewhat consonant with the parable of the Good Samaritan...which MAGA "Christians" seem to hate having brought to their attention.

It's sad to see the very vulnerable attacked (people seeking refuge here in America; people in need of food, healthcare, shelter; pregnant women; families who need childcare...).

Thank you.
Carazaa · F
A. W. Milne was a missionary just like my aunt for 50 years, greatly loved .

He packed all his belongings in a coffin, because he expected to be killed, but he was loved instead.

As for A. W. Milne, he Knew that most of the missionaries before him died a martyr’s death, still he accepted the call of God to minister to a tribe in the New Hebrides – island group in the South Pacific Ocean that now is the nation of Vanuatu. There he lived for 35 years. God’s timing and favor had given him a break through among these people and there he enjoyed favor.

But A. W. Milne would never return home. After many years of fruitful labor for the Lord, he passed and was buried in the middle of the town. The inscription on his tombstone could not have been more clearer:

“when he came there was no light, when he left there was no darkness.
Gloomy · F
@Carazaa A.W Milne went to China and Peter Milne went to the New Hebrides.. did you accidentally mix them together?
SW-User
@Carazaa The bishop lived the experience
It was the empire that did wrong. There were/are genuinely selfless missionaries who go to spread the gospel for God's glory. What faith was Desmond? 😏
@BritishFailedAesthetic Desmond Tutu was a man of great faith, and a theologian.

Just read the Wikipedia article for an overview.
@SomeMichGuy I agree. I think we're talking cross-purposes. I meant the way OP is using the quote not Desmond.
SDavis · 56-60, F
True - they did the same in the Americas and Australia.

According to Tacitus who was born in 59 ad and died in 129 ad who was a Roman senator and historian wrote in his anals which he kept concerning Rome trying to figure out where are the Jews came from that the Jews had the appearance of Ethiopians.
Going by Tacitus and a few other things they stole the heritage and then used it against what is now considered Africans - as well as the Americas and Australia.
DDonde · 31-35, M
It's a brilliant line
ArcAngel · 61-69, M
Yes well the missionaries and the priesthoods of man
were and are corrupt. They gut the Spirit in the name
of God.
Scott
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
That one never fails to crack me up, and then I feel a little sad afterward because it's true.
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@PutinOntheRitz many people did get murdered actually.
Carazaa · F
@PutinOntheRitz They killed almost all of us. When Milne went he brought a coffin expected to come back dead, but he was so loved by the tribe that they wrote on his tomb stone
"When he came there was no light, when he left there was no darkness"

 
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