The Lie: God Sends People To Hell - The Truth: God Grants Those People Their Hearts' Desire

@SW-User that's one thing that I wonder too, especially since he knew that the serpent would tempt Eve and Adam and they would give in. Why even put it in there in the first place. Maybe I'm wrong to question our all mighty God, I feel that's what hardcore Christians and maybe even the Bible would tell me. I just wish God would have made things easier for us to understand.

@SW-User [quote] Why would an all loving and powerful god set the trap in garden? Much akin to leaving a bowl of candy in front of a group of children and telling them don’t touch it…then leaving the room.. If the experiment failed in the garden then we are all dead anyway.. No matter of the “sacrifice “ that wasn’t a sacrifice.. Believe what you want.[/quote]

Believe what [i]you[/i] want. This is nothing more than typical, ungrateful rantings of one who understands nothing about God, or why he came.

[quote]Why would an all loving and powerful god set the trap in garden? Much akin to leaving a bowl of candy in front of a group of children and telling them don’t touch it…then leaving the room.[/quote]

That's like asking two people who are in love, why they would have children, because [b]after all[/b]......you, being SO SMART.... know they'll get in trouble and do things they shouldn't [b]anyway[/b], when they're tempted, so best not have them. What nonsense. You just want someone to blame.

The point is, that SIN is not [b]fair[/b]. GOD is fair, but sin is not fair. That is the NATURE of sin. Destruction is a consequence of sin. God does not want it to happen. He did not want Adam and Eve to sin, but they had the ability to know right from wrong.

We can be grateful to God. There are always two sides to a story. Was it fair that Jesus suffered the cross, though he had no sin? Adam and Eve lived in a world with [u]no sin in it[/u], in the beginning. [i]That's[/i] the world God wanted for them, but they chose to sin against God. Dont blame God for something they chose to do. And we can't blame God even when [b]we[/b] choose to sin today. That is our choice. When they sinned, they forfeited ownership of this world, over to Satan. Just because God knew what would happen does not mean that he caused it. Don't forget that God is perfect and without sin or error. He does not interfere with our will. That's one thing he will not do is make choices [u]for[/u] us. That means whether we do good or bad, that is our responsibility, and that's why people want to blame God, instead of themselves for sinning. God was gracious enough to make mankind so that they could have their own will. We should be grateful to God, if anything! Without the love of God towards us, every one of us would have been destined for hell, and lost forever. Why? Because only a holy, pure, sinless sacrifice covers our sins. That's why we could never save ourselves and had to depend on God's son, Jesus, to provide a way for us to have eternal life in heaven.

Without the shedding of blood, there IS no forgiveness of sin. [Hebrews 9:22] That's what Jesus did for US, though we sure didn't deserve Him to. How 'bout we blame Satan, the chief of liars and deceivers of this world, instead of God, who died to save some ungrateful souls!

@SW-User What's more, being omniscient, "god" already knew they were going to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and, until they did, they couldn't know they were doing anything wrong. It was all a set up by the most evil figure in the bible. Thankfully, it's only a myth.

@Sweetguy024 To understand better, we could ask two people who are in love, why they would even want to have children, because [b]after all[/b]......the parents, being SO SMART.... know they'll get in trouble and do things they shouldn't [b]anyway[/b], when they're tempted, so best to just not have them. See how that makes no sense? God loves us THOUGH we sin. Though He knew down the line, that we would hurt him and actually send him to the cross, he [b]still[/b] loved us enough to create us. That's how much he loved us.

The point is, that SIN is not [b]fair[/b]. GOD is fair, but sin is not fair. That is the NATURE of sin. Destruction is a consequence of sin. God does not want sin to happen. He did not want Adam and Eve to sin, but they had the ability to know right from wrong and had the right to choose good or evil.

We can be grateful to God. There are always two sides to a story. Was it fair that Jesus suffered the cross, though he had no sin? Adam and Eve lived in a world with [u]no sin in it[/u], in the beginning. [i]That's[/i] the world God wanted for them, but they chose to sin against God. We can't blame God, even for something [b]we[/b] choose to do today. When they sinned, they forfeited ownership of this world, over to Satan. Just because God knew what would happen, does not mean that he caused it. Don't forget that God is perfect and without sin or error. He does not interfere with our will. That's one thing he will not do is make choices [u]for[/u] us. That means whether we do good or bad, that is our responsibility, and that's why people want to blame God, instead of themselves for sinning. God was gracious enough to make mankind so that they could have their own will. We should be grateful to God, if anything! Without the love of God towards us, every one of us would have been destined for hell, and lost forever. Why? Because only a holy, pure, sinless sacrifice covers our sins. That's why we could never save ourselves and had to depend on God's son, Jesus, to provide a way for us to have eternal life in heaven.

Without the shedding of blood, there IS no forgiveness of sin. [Hebrews 9:22] That's what Jesus did for US, though we sure didn't deserve Him to. How 'bout we blame Satan, the chief of liars and deceivers of this world, instead of God, who died to save even some whom He knew would be ungrateful.

@SW-User Another objection to that story is, if before Adam and Eve at the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, they couldn't have known it was wrong to disobey God, because they had no concept of right and wrong. So it was unfair for God to punish them for disobeying him.

@Sharon @LeopoldBloom [quote] It was all a set up by the most evil figure in the bible. Thankfully, it's only a myth.[/quote]

You're both wrong as usual. Have you not read the Genesis account where God warns them not to consume the knowledge of good and evil or they will die? If Adam and Eve had put their trust in Him, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

@GodSpeed63 [quote]You're both wrong as usual. [/quote]
According to whom?

@Sharon [quote]According to whom?[/quote]

His Word.

@GodSpeed63 ROFLMAO! You mean your imaginary friend. Try offering some real evidence for a change.

@LadyGrace you can prove anything about god with the Bible?



Is this shithole as good as he could come up with?

Given what humans have figured out about the universe, how does a god that loves and care about this experiment on earth, even factor in to the equation.
God created protons, neutrons and electrons…quarks, gluons muons .?

DNA ?

If so, then why wasn’t it all included in the Bible?

I can wait…

Humans didn’t ask for any of this..and yet according to the work of fiction that people point to as his will. The book book is silent regarding the issues in the modern…or any era.

You are free to believe whatever you want.
Don’t think for a minute that your words change a thing where I am concerned.

And guess who made it this way. The human race.

@LadyGrace no question, the real issue is if there is a creator…and it allowed this garbage, it’s their problem, not humanity

@SW-User [quote]you can prove anything about god with the Bible?[/quote]

Yes. It's His Word.

@GodSpeed63 it’s circular logic, I am not here to split hairs.

Take care

@SW-User [quote]Don’t think for a minute that your words change a thing where I am concerned.[/quote]

Don't think for a minute my goal was to change you're thinking. I was merely stating and sharing my beliefs from God's Word, showing the difference between what you think and said, from what God thinks and says in His Word. What you do with that, or not, has nothing to do with me.

[quote]The book book is silent regarding the issues in the modern…or any era.[/quote]

You are really far out on this one. The Bible is an interface between man and God. The Bible is more up to date than [b]tomorrow's[/b] newspaper. It reveals [b]far[/b] into the future and even to the end of this world, with 100% accuracy and detail. No one can do, nor say, that today. Every single one of God's prophecies, to date, have come to pass. So shall the rest. Whether people believe or they don't; whether they deny him or argue there's no heaven or hell, make no mistake, no amount of unbelief, will change God's plans to fulfill his mission and his prophecies.

And by the way, we can discuss things but it's not necessary to include derogatory adjectives towards me or God, so let's put that aside. That's childish. If you can't discuss things in an adult manner, then this conversation is closed.

@SW-User [quote]it’s circular logic, I am not here to split hairs. [/quote]

Neither am I. God be with you.

@GodSpeed63 .

@GodSpeed63 Why are people condemning God for what people do? When God 'forbade' (actually He didn't - He gave instruction to) Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree of knowledge, He was giving them advice and a choice. It's the same with 'sin' either you listen to your conscience or you ignore it. If you are 'without conscience' then you are deaf to your spirit. If you are deaf to your spirit then you have no purpose in life except to pass through without acknowledging the good and beauty around you - just as Adam and Eve couldn't resist ignoring selfish temptation and in so doing, spoiled their own paradise. "Choice" is what God gives us. He does not regulate our sins - He does not 'allow' or 'deny' anyone to prove their spirit for their eternal life.... When we see death and destruction of other human lives we relate to it as humans... we do not relate to it as 'eternal beings' (which is where we are trying to go). So we don't know or understand what God does with those vicitimized spirits EXCEPT: that we do get to see victims who show great resilience to the catastrophies that they have suffered - even to the point of forgiving those who injured them!!! How can this be? Is it possible that they, through their suffering, have come to see that God will redeem them in their 'eternal life'? I think so!
And "YES" Hell is an invention by churches to manage us. Hell is not a creation by God nor a judgement by God. It is the by the granting or denial of 'eternal life' that we are judged ... not "Hell": God gave us our spiritual soul; He gave us our human form and the life through which we pass and by which He can test whether our soul is good or not; and He will finally decide whether that soul is worthy of eternal life or not. CHOICE! It's yours!

@JollyRoger [quote]Why are people condemning God for what people do? When God 'forbade' (actually He didn't - He gave instruction to) Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree of knowledge,[/quote]

The Word of God says different. Read it again.

@GodSpeed63 Yup.... and for how many years was that 'word' voiced down from generation to generation and NOBODY ever would have made a mistake by saying "forbade" rather than "instructed" - if you're a LITERALIST then you live by the bible?? If so, then why would Jesus teach us (speaking of our prayer to God), "Lead us not into temptation..." Do you follow a god who you would pray to NOT to lead you into temptation?? So... mistakes in 'the word' can be made!

@JollyRoger [quote]Yup.... and for how many years was that 'word' voiced down from generation to generation and NOBODY ever would have made a mistake[/quote]

Has it ever occurred to you why we call it 'The Word of God?' Read 2 Timothy 3:16 & 2 Peter 19-21.

@GodSpeed63 which version?