@GodSpeed63 You've already proven it by repeatedly failing to present any evidence to support your claims. You still haven't managed to prove The Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't live, so the Truth remains, the FSM does live. r'Amen.
@GodSpeed63 In your, worthless, opinion, You keep claiming to have evidence of your imaginary friend but it's abundantly clear you're "lying for Jesus".
You still have nothing, eh Sharon? You're not proving anything, Sharon, you're just here to argue. And, you're telling me that my opinions are worthless? There's nothing more worthless than an effort made by one whose only purpose is to argue. Good day to you, Sharon.
@GodSpeed63 You're the one making the positive claim that your imaginary friend is real, yet you've never been able to offer a single shred of evidence to support that claim. No one need refute evidence that doesn't exist. You're just whistling in the wind.
@Sharon [quote]You're the one making the positive claim that your imaginary friend is real, yet you've never been able to offer a single shred of evidence to support that claim. No one need refute evidence that doesn't exist. You're just whistling in the wind.[/quote]
We do not need to provide "proof" of the kind that atheists accept. You choose to either believe or not believe and that's your right to choose. We can feel him working in our lives and that's enough for us. It's irrelevant whether you personally accept Jesus or not, your non belief doesn't affect our salvation or the chance of everlasting life with our God, it only affects yours.
@Sharon why is it arrogant? One of us is right, we either have souls or we don't. If it's you that's right and non of us have souls, both of us are going to be good. If I'm right though, in your current position, you would perish in hell. If that was my future state, I'd want to know so I could do something about it. All Christians are trying to do is warn you in the same way you warn someone of any other dangerous decision they are making, I don't see how that is arrogant at all.
@Patientlywaiting [quote]why is it arrogant?[/quote] You baldly asserted, with no supporting evidence, that my disbelief in your god affects my life. That's typical christian arrogance.
[quote]If I'm right though, in your current position, you would perish in hell.[/quote] If the Odinists are right, you're going to be in serious trouble when you come face to face with HIm. At least I haven't spent my life annoying Him by worshipping a false god.
[quote]If that was my future state, I'd want to know so I could do something about it.[/quote] Have you really investigated EVERY other religion and all their various sect to verify you're picked to only correct one. Or have you simply followed the herd (flock?) and gone along with the one most common where you were brought up?
[quote]All Christians are trying to do is warn you in the same way you warn someone of any other dangerous decision they are making,[/quote] I see, you're right and everyone else is wrong. That's just christian arrogance again. What about the dangerous decision you're making by worshipping a false god rather than Odin? How many people have been denied entry to Valhalla because people like you have deceived them into worshippong your god? It works both ways.
I don't necessarily believe in Odin but He's a lot more plausible than your god.
@Patientlywaiting [quote]All Christians are trying to do is warn you in the same way you warn someone of any other dangerous decision they are making, I don't see how that is arrogant at all.[/quote]
That's incredibly arrogant and was exactly what the Church used to justify colonialism, the crimes committed against indigenous children or just simple hatred in from of homophobia.
@Sharon well luckily for me, Christ found me. I wasn't raised Christian and I only went to church for somewhere warm to be. I didn't have to do a lot of research into other religions to know that this is the truth, I simply prayed, asked to be shown and I got all the proof I need.
@Gloomy so any attempt to warn of danger is arrogant? Or just when YOU don't agree on the danger?
I just pointed out that one of us has to be right, either we have a soul (which is in danger if we neglect it) or we don't. I don't think that's arrogant.
@Patientlywaiting Yeah no there is a huge differnece between actual dangerous situations (fire, car approaching at high speed... ) and ones religious belief.
The soul question is not even a binary and there are many religions that believe in different outcomes of death.
@Patientlywaiting [quote] I didn't have to do a lot of research into other religions to know that this is the truth,[/quote] More arrogance. That's so typical of christians. You don't know anything about any other religions, you simply say their followers are all wrong because only you, and those who believe the same as you, have "the truth". If you had prayed one of the thousands of other gods you might (would?) have got all the proof of that god, but you didn't bother to try.
[quote]so any attempt to warn of danger is arrogant? [/quote] No, your arrogance is claiming I'm in danger simply because I don't believe the things that you do. As I said, you could be the one in danger by worshipping a false god rather than the true one. I doubt you've even thought of that but you're now attempting to endanger others in the same way.
@Sharon You find me arrogant. Well, I find you very inconsiderate and insensitive. You leave laughing emojis at any comment that is Christian because you don't agree with it. You, like most fundamentalist atheists also make direct personal attacks on anyone that believes in anything spiritual. You seek out groups like this one which is for spirituality for no other reason other than to attack and upset people. I suppose you think I'm wrong about that but why else are you here? If you don't agree the solution is simple, move on and be respectful.
@MartinII That is true but absolute claims without evidence and trying to push religious based laws are dangerous that's why christainity or Islam to name two very prominent examples of this need to be kept as a private faith.
[quote] All Christians are trying to do is warn you in the same way you warn someone of any other dangerous decision they are making, I don't see how that is arrogant at all. [/quote] This attitude is problematic cause it leads to christians imposing their faith on others. Like for example the Westboro Baptist Church, a disgusting hate group justifies their doing the exact same way
@Gloomy There is no convincing evidence on the question of the existence of God or gods, either way. Some Christians and Christian sects try to impose their views on others, but many - most I think nowadays - don’t. Even the Jehovah’s Witnesses who are usually on a street corner near me are terribly gentle and seem to spend the time talking amongst themselves!
By the way, did you see a pm from me on another subject a few days ago?
@MartinII [quote]It’s not arrogance, it’s faith. [/quote] She claimed my life was adversely affected just because I don't believe in her god. That's arrogance.
@Patientlywaiting [quote]Well, I find you very inconsiderate and insensitive. You leave laughing emojis at any comment that is Christian because you don't agree with it. [/quote] I presume christians follow the doctrine of "do unto others...". As they frequently disparage followers of other religions, they implicitly request others disparage their beliefs. I'm quite happy to oblige them, despite it meaning showing more respect for them than they do for others.
@Sharon I think if you come across a Christian poster, outright belittling another's beliefs or posting hate of a particular group, it's fair to provide a counter argument but you are not doing that, you are actively seeking peaceful posts and just attacking, not just the post but the individuals who are sharing and that's not ok.
