Excuses excuses and excuse

@BibleData I almost had a stroke reading this

@Emosaur The Bible is a history, you ignorant fuck, it doesn't promote it records history.

@Khonsu If your argument is that those things are bad, no one is arguing with you. If your point is that the Bible should have no influence because it records those things you are ignorant. Slavery as we know it from recent occidental culture was punishable by death according to the Bible. So was rape. Rape was fornication, adultery. (Deuteronomy 22:23-27) Deuteronomy 21:10-14 only says that women who were taken as prisoners of war could eventually become wives and mothers. Respected members of the community.

Before the common era war, poverty and crime were the factors which reduced people to slavery. Captives of war were sold into slavery (2 Kings 5:2; Joel 3:6). If a person became poor they could sell themselves and their children into slavery to pay indebtedness. (Leviticus 25:39, 47; 2 Kings 4:1) and a person found guilty of thievery who was unable to compensate was sold for slavery to pay for the things he stole, regaining his freedom once the amount was paid in full. (Exodus 22:3)

It was not uncommon for slaves to hold a position of great trust and honor in a household. Abraham's servant Eliezer (Genesis 24:2; 15:2-3) and Joseph, as a slave in Egypt ended up being in charge of everything belonging to Potiphar - the second in command and second wealthiest in all of Egypt. (Genesis 39:1-6) The family of a slave could buy him back from his owners and if he became rich he could buy himself back as well. (Leviticus 25:49) Slaves were protected by law and to kidnap someone to make or sell them as a slave was punishable by death.

You can't judge the Bible by the morals of the people of another time and place. If you do, then you have to apply the same to, for example, mankind, governments, countries, people. Man used to think it was okay to have slaves. You're a man. So the Bible had laws that protected slaves. God gave the planet to man to do with it whatever he wanted. He didn't tell them to go out and make slaves.

@Emosaur [quote]What's it like to live without a brain? I'd love to know.[/quote]

Mission accomplished. .

@BibleData So I’m already seeing condescension from you, no surprise btw but what I was expecting was how fallacious your arguments would be and boy did you not disappoint. You and a lot of people here seem to not get the point of this post, and what’s even funnier is that they are ironically doing the very thing I said they would do. Either they cant show that they’re morally consistent or they completely go off topic and straight to either insults or pivoting into the blame game EVERY SINGLE TIME.

But let’s get down to you. You claim that the Bible doesn’t promote any of theses and it records history. Christians throughout history and the people whose entire cultures have been destroyed would definitely disagree with you on that. And then you claim that slavery was an offense punishable by death that is another egregious lie. This law was for Hebrews only. If they were kidnap their own they were to be put to death. Deuteronomy 24:7If someone is caught kidnapping a fellow Israelite and treating or selling them as a slave, the kidnapper must die. You must purge the evil from among you.

Otherwise they’d probably have to be killed for all women they kidnapped and raped in judges 21.

You claim Deuteronomy 21:10-14 only says that women who were taken as prisoners of war could eventually become wives and mothers. Respected members of the community.
Here’s what it actually says

10“When the Lord your God gives you victory in battle and you take prisoners, 11you may see among them a beautiful woman that you like and want to marry. 12Take her to your home, where she will shave her head,[a] cut her fingernails, 13and change her clothes. She is to stay in your home and mourn for her parents for a month; after that, you may marry her. 14Later, if you no longer want her, you are to let her go free. Since you forced her to have intercourse with you, you cannot treat her as a slave and sell her.

You’ve left out the “Later, if you no longer want her, you are to let her free. SINCE YOU FORCED HER TO HAVE INTERCOURSE WITH YOU” that is literally by definition r*pe and there is no consequence for this. They could literally butcher a woman’s loved one and force themselves on them with no consequences.

You claim “Before the common era war, poverty and crime were the factors which reduced people to slavery. Captives of war were sold into slavery (2 Kings 5:2; Joel 3:6). If a person became poor they could sell themselves and their children into slavery to pay indebtedness. (Leviticus 25:39, 47; 2 Kings 4:1) and a person found guilty of thievery who was unable to compensate was sold for slavery to pay for the things he stole, regaining his freedom once the amount was paid in full. (Exodus 22:3)”
You left out the context that this only applied to Hebrews you left out what the rest of Leviticus 25 said

44“‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

Another one of your lies exposed

You claim “It was not uncommon for slaves to hold a position of great trust and honor in a household. Abraham's servant Eliezer (Genesis 24:2; 15:2-3) and Joseph, as a slave in Egypt ended up being in charge of everything belonging to Potiphar - the second in command and second wealthiest in all of Egypt.” First off how do measure that? By what numbers are you using to determine that, you’re using one story, a story that you’re leaving very important context for.

Genesis 39

It was not uncommon for slaves to hold a position of great trust and honor in a household. Abraham's servant Eliezer (Genesis 24:2; 15:2-3) and Joseph, as a slave in Egypt ended up being in charge of everything belonging to Potiphar - the second in command and second wealthiest in all of Egypt.

According to this God’s favor was the only reason why he was treated the way that he was. Why did you leave that part out?

You claim “The family of a slave could buy him back from his owners and if he became rich he could buy himself back as well. (Leviticus 25:49) Slaves were protected by law and to kidnap someone to make or sell them as a slave was punishable by death.” Again this was Hebrews only it literally tells you that in the previous verses you conveniently left out, I wonder why 💀.

You claim “You can't judge the Bible by the morals of the people of another time and place. If you do, then you have to apply the same to, for example, mankind, governments, countries, people.” Actually I can as someone who lives in a country where people want a book of morals of the people of another time and place to be the law of country.

You claim “Man used to think it was okay to have slaves. You're a man. So the Bible had laws that protected slaves. God gave the planet to man to do with it whatever he wanted. He didn't tell them to go out and make slaves.” YHWH literally made laws on how to enslave others if he didn’t want people to be slaves he wouldn’t have made these laws.