Excuses excuses and excuse

@RuyLopez isn't the old testament part of the Bible, of God's word?

@RuyLopez the goofiest thing to me is when the word “blame” is thrown around when this a post talking about excuses Christians will throw out when immorality in the Bible is brought up. Which is ironically what you’re doing. Also as I said to @Penny Christian hold Old Testament law as important as the New Testament and is taught as standard in churches so either you have never been to church and don’t know what you’re talking about or you’re a liar.

@Khonsu I have been taught and also done a significant amount of research on my own. Unlike you I actually read the entire bible and thousands of pages of analysis and historical context. You are the one that is completely unaware of Christian doctrine and the meaning and importance of the two separate testaments of the Bible. In fact your ignorance of the most fundamental of Christian doctrine clearly indicates you don’t have the necessary understanding to even comprehend the arguments. Much less your own ridiculously uninformed statements.

@RuyLopez Your argument of authority means absolutely nothing to me because at the end of the day you’re just somebody who was taught what to think and how to think and not question anything. I’ve been taught and trained in scripture from childhood to my mid twenties so everything you said literally doesn’t apply to me. But go on tell me how I’m taking those scriptures out of context, under what context does r*pe and and slavery is considered a morally sound? Please remember what this post is about. “Christians defending morally reprehensible laws” Go ahead you have the floor now.

@Khonsu You don’t even understand what an argument of authority is do you? Go look it up. My argument is based on your profound ignorance of the very subject you wish to discuss. You quoted the Old Testament and I explained you that you have no idea of why your accusations were moot as you lack any understanding of Christian or Jewish doctrine. In short you are spouting off about something you know nothing about which makes you a fool.

@RuyLopez First off. You writing whole paragraphs saying that I’m wrong but not showing how I’m wrong is very telling. I gave you the floor to explain and you didn’t. You could’ve given so much context but you won’t. Why is that? Because you know how fucked up those verses are. If I’m wrong then prove it, don’t just say it. Put your money where your mouth is and prove it. You also seem to have a reading problem, I’m not accusing anyone of anything I’m stating a fact that christians will make any and every excuse for those verses, and you by far doing that very thing and very badly at that.

@Khonsu Seek and ye shall find. I’m not your professor nor am I the one making completely uninformed statements. Don’t be so pathetically lazy. I suggest educating yourself before continuing to make statements that so blatantly demonstrate you have no idea what you’re talking about. It’s not like we have the internet or anything. The alternative is you can continue to proclaim that you are a fool.

@NerdyPotato Yes it is.

@RuyLopez so why do you choose to ignore it then?

@NerdyPotato Here you go. A little light reading. It is a lot but the context is important and in general it is hard to understand without a basic knowledge of the bible and the Tanakh. I tried not to make assumptions of what you do or don't know. I have highlighted the more important passages to help guide your reading that fit my personal understanding and beliefs. If you really want to understand then enjoy.

What do the words “Old Testament” and “New Testament” mean?
The Old and New Testaments are the two major divisions of the Bible. The [b]Old Testament contains all the books written during the first dispensation,[b] so, [b]during the time of God’s covenant agreement with humanity in general[/b] and with the people of Israel in particular, in which [b]the law played an important role[/b]

[b]Old Testament is basically a rendition of the Tanakh, the Hebrew Bible. Both Jews and Christian hold these books to be the word of God.[/b]

The[b] New Testament describes a new dispensation[/b], where God made a new agreement with man on the basis of the salvation work of Jesus Christ. This new covenant had already been foretold by the prophet Jeremiah

The Old Testament consists of 39 separate books (some of which belong together as “part 1” and “part 2” of a longer book). These books can be divided into three major genres:

Historical books: starting from creation and mainly focusing on the history of the people of Israel and God’s dealing with them.
Poetic books or writings: songs, proverbs and poems.
Prophetic books: messages of God, mainly to the people of Israel.

The Old Testament is the first part of the Christian Bible. But the Jews also value these Scriptures as the Word of God. So, the Old Testament Bible books are considered holy by both the Jewish and the Christian religion

he New Testament consists of 27 books.

It starts with four gospels. These books narrate Jesus’ birth and His life on earth. They describe Jesus’ teaching and many miracles He did. They especially focus on the events around Jesus’ death and resurrection, since these are of central importance.
Then follows the book Acts, which relates the history of the early church. This book is followed by letters or epistles Paul and other apostles to newly planted churches and to individuals apply Jesus teaching and purpose.

The New Testament concludes with Revelation, a book full of prophecies and culminating in the description of the new earth and heaven that God promises to create.

[b]The New Testament is all about Jesus and the new covenant.[/b] The stories in the Old Testament make abundantly clear that [b]people are not able to keep God’s laws. They break the covenant over and over again. Therefore, God the Father sent His only Son to deal with the problem of sin once for all.[/b] Jesus came to take away sin and to reconcile man with God. It does not matter whether one belongs to the people of Israel or not; all are one in Christ. It is through faith that one is saved from eternal death – because of grace that God showers on us through Jesus Christ

Why is the New Testament important?
The gospels have been written “so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in His name” and “that you may have certainty concerning the things you have been taught”

The gospels tell us the way towards true life and happiness. The rest of the New Testament explains and applies this. This is authoritative [b]Scripture for believers from all time, “breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work” [/b]

[b]The New Testament is an exclusively Christian book. No other religion recognizes it.[/b]

The Old Testament looks forward to coming of the Messiah, the Servant of the Lord. Jesus says it points to Him: “Everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled” . By mentioning the three major sections of the Old Testament, Jesus says that all Scripture that was available by then, was actually about Him.

But [b]the “fulfillment” goes further than specific promises about Jesus’ place of birth and so; He Himself is the embodiment of God’s salvation plan. He is the promised Messiah.[/b]

[b]The Old Covenant, or Old Testament has been fulfilled and replaced by the New Covenant or New Testament. [/b]

Does this mean we should throw out the Old Testament and never read it? Not at all. The Bible tells us that the Old Testament Scriptures are written for our admonition, so that we can learn from what was recorded.

[b]The Old Testament is the living Word of God just like the New Testament, but needs to be read with the understanding that because of the finished work of Jesus, we now live under a new covenant with God. [/b]

As[b] New Testament believers we no longer live under the Old Covenant Law [/b]given to Moses and the Israelites. [b]We now receive right standing with God based upon our faith in Jesus’s finished work[/b].

How God relates to humanity has completely changed with the change of covenant. How God related to Old Testament men and women is very different from how He relates to us now.

[b]Does the New Testament Override the Old Testament? [/b]
One of the definitions of override according to the Merriam Webster dictionary is to set aside, to annul.

Using this definition of override, we can see from the Bible that t[b]he New Testament, or New Covenant does in fact override the Old Covenant.[/b]

..[b]He takes away the first that He may establish the second.[/b] Hebrews 10:9 NKJV k This is one of the main reasons Jew's do not agree with Christianity.

The Bible tells us that the Old Covenant has now been made obsolete.

To make something obsolete means that it is made no longer useful or it is no longer in use. T[b]his makes it quite clear that the Old Covenant is no longer how God is relating to mankind. This doesn’t mean that the old covenant never mattered, but it means that the old covenant is no longer the active contract between God and man today.
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In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Hebrews 8:13 NKJV

The change of covenants has dramatically changed how God relates to humanity.

Sin has been completely wiped away and forgiven. T[b]he New Testament believer can now be born again and receive a brand new, righteous spirit. [/b]The New Testament believer can now be filled with the very Spirit of God Himself. Everything has changed. When God looks at a believer now, He sees His child who is just as righteous as He is. Wow!

It’s so important as a Christian to understand that [b]you are not supposed to be living under the Old Covenant that was made with the Israelites through Moses. [/b]

The [b]Old Covenant included blessings and cursings according to man’s obedience or disobedience. It included many animal sacrifices, feasts, rules, and various other traditions that had to be kept[/b]. These were all a shadow of what was to come- Jesus Christ.

So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17

For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. Hebrews 10:1

[b]The Old Testament sacrifices could never truly cleanse a person. Only the blood of Jesus is able to wipe away sin. Because Jesus bore our sin, we can be totally forgiven and made new. The penalty for sin has been paid for you. You are free based upon your believe and faith in Jesus. You know longer must follow all the written laws of the Old Testament. They are obsolete and entirely replaced by your faith in Jesus and the unearned love and forgiven grace he bestowes upon the believer.[/b]

@RuyLopez ok, so the old testament is only for historical context and only the new testament should be followed in modern times? That makes sense. But the new testament endorses slavery too, so that's still moral then?

1 Peter 2:18 - Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

@RuyLopez Lmao it’s funny how you can write an entire essay on the Old Testament or whatever it is you’re talking about but you can’t even go point by point why Deuteronomy 21:10-14 and Leviticus 25: 44-46 are immoral.

@Khonsu Who are you again?

@RuyLopez I am who I am. (Notices how you dodge the question every single time you're asked to give a nuanced reason to why I’m wrong about those verses)

@Khonsu That's right you are the fool.

@RuyLopez I find it very telling you have to resort to insults rather than answer questions

@Khonsu I sure you find fortune cookies telling.

@RuyLopez It’s funny that you say that

@Khonsu Wow. Wow, how clever of you. Guess you found a new side hustle. Now wipe the drool off your chin and go play with the your fidget toy.

@RuyLopez It’s funny how you have to call somebody slow when you’re the one who can’t give nuanced takes unless it’s a complete pivot to the original question. I can’t imagine how it would feel to be this disingenuous and fallacious.

@Khonsu You are funny. Oh... and a fool.

@RuyLopez
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless

@Khonsu You should write that down and pin it up somewhere. Maybe over your toilet.

@RuyLopez I don’t follow a religion but I’ll gladly use the book that I got this from as toilet paper.

@RuyLopez Any comment on this? Or are you too busy throwing insults as a good Christian?

[quote]1 Peter 2:18 - Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.[/quote]