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FACTS vs the word of god. When truth matters , which do you pick

I noticed several believers keep denying solid, tested , irrefutable scientific evidence , simply because it’s not biblically acceptable. Not just evolution, but the fossil record, geology, cosmology, biology, etc. they never give a reason . We’re just supposed to accept it’s wrong , god’s word is the only thing that counts. Even when god doesn’t know WTF he’s talking about.
I also noticed, they don’t feel the need to enlighten the rest of us as to why we should ignore the evidence.
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Mathers · 61-69
‘When men cease to believe in God they don’t believe in nothing they believe in anything’ (Chesterton)
You are seeing the outworkings in our society. Interesting at the beginning of the 20th century Bertrand Russell said that philosophy like you have toted above would leave their young people into utopia. Just count the wars in the 20th century and a number of people killed in them and the military dictatorships based around atheism. Utopia?
But then people like you believe anything
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Mathers That is a false premise I am afraid. Although most wars are essentially land, wealth or ethnic disputes, there have been many wars, tyrannies and oppression with religious motives:

- The suppression of early Christians by the Romans (until the latter converted to the faith);

- The so-called Holy Crusades of Mediaeval times (a series of Christian attempts to drive Islam from the supposedly "Holy" land). Many of the Crusaders were surprised to find the Muslim society of the time was far more learned, civilised and comfortable than their brutal, crude North-West European, Church of Rome led, own.

- The Church of Rome: centuries of anti-learning plus heavy oppression of women and children (The Inquisition was part of the drive against questioning Church dogma.)

- Colonists from 18-19C Europe, whose "missionaries" aimed to destroy indigenous beliefs and replace them with some form of Christianity.

- Modern para-Christian cults whose primary aim is domestic coercion and control - inspiring novels exploring religious bigotry, like The Handmaid's Tale (hard-line mysogyny in a dictatorship) and Oranges Are Not The Only Fruit (domestic cruelty to children).

- The fighting between the Sikhs, Hindhi and Muslims in India.

- The un-Islamic misogyny, selfishness and ignorance of the Taliban, and the even worse gangs like ISIS and Bokul Harun.

- The Second World War: WW1 was political and territorial but WW2 was to stop a regime that was not only land-grabbing but intended to wipe out the Jewish religion and culture - and the Jews themselves - along with the Roma, homosexuals and the mentally-ill.

- The USSR: trying to stamp out religion generally. (Stalin was also viciously anti-Semitic).

- Misguided but ultimately cruel policies by the mid-20C Canadian, Australian and Swiss governments to "assimilate" indigenous people (or in Switzerland, the Roma) by kidnapping the children and fostering them to "approved" families. Britain had a similar policy intended to give children living in poverty a "better life" in Australia and Canada. The link was that the established churches, both Catholic and Protestant, plus in the UK the Barnados charitym supporting the schemes by using their orphanages.

- The dreadful acts of the Catholic and to a lesser extent Protestant Churches in Ireland, mainly Eire but Ulster too; leading to the "Magdalen Laundries" slave-labour establishments, and deeply misogynist social mores generally.

- The People's Republic of China's aim to destroy the Uyghur religion and culture (most of them are Muslim)

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The link?

All based on shallow-minded fear, ignorance, religious intolerance, greed, hypocrisy, power-lust and cowardice; all very human failings hidden behind religious or anti-religious dogma.

Most of the perpetrators, and certainly at top level, have always been men, but not exclusively. For example, the Magdalen Laundries and the Irish "mother and baby" homes established to deal with illegitimacy and poverty were run by women - oh-so-holy but extraordinarily callous nuns with more Christianity in their wimples than in their hearts and minds.

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As for Utopia, as dreamt by the early-20C philosophers, whether religious or not, that will never happen.

There is no more intrinsic harm in agnosticism or atheism, than in religion. (Any, as Christianity has never been the only fruit, and the world is NOT divided into Christianity and atheism.... Though some SW users seem to think so!)

The fault lies with fallible humans whether there are any gods or none: humans using their beliefs for, doubting or anti gods, to excuse their own, shallow, home or national selfishness.
Mathers · 61-69
You can see in our society that people are now believing in anything now they have thrown off belief in God. The evidence is absolutely in front of you. And course the world is not divided between Christianity and atheism but the fact is that people who don’t believe in God tend to believe in anything any form of nonsense . Okay it is a generalisation but it is true@ArishMell
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Mathers Those are not "facts" at all. Basically you are stating two beliefs about the world.

One is this "evidence" for something you don't state but blame on people not being religious - as if they are wrong not to be religious.

The other is that although you do admit it being generalising, anyone who does not believe in your God is a gullible fool!
Mathers · 61-69
I’m talking about facts of history. Course I believe I’m right just as you believe you’re right. Only I have history to back me up@ArishMell
DocSavage · M
@Mathers
but the fact is that people who don’t believe in God tend to believe in anything any form of nonsense . Okay it is a generalisation but it is true@ArishMell
No it isn’t. Information is much more widely avoidable now than in Chesterton’s time. Some people may be open to accepting “ anything “
But people are also more skeptical now with better education. Especially in regards to religion.
Mathers · 61-69
There’s a lot more information available but of course there is very little wisdom in applying it and people like you illustrate that@DocSavage
Annie13 · F
@Mathers
You can see in our society that people are now believing in anything now they have thrown off belief in God.

No they just have stopped believing in things they now are able to verify and do research on. Truth over belief. Also everyone who believes in a God or at least claims to do so has their own interpretation of what this god wants, teaches or expects. Believing in a god simply means believing in anything you want to be true.
Mathers · 61-69
Your problem is that you are truly gullible in that you really believe all the nonsense that is spoken. Society today is really stupid. We don’t even know what a woman is! People seriously swallow the guff that there are 73 genders. 😀 @Annie13
Annie13 · F
@Mathers No one claims there are 73 genders and it shows you are the one not having engaged with topics like this in good faith. I imagine clouded by your christian centric view since some other religions have a very different view on Gender, like native American culture.
We can determine a woman by sex and then there is Gender which is more complex and constructed. It's more complex than your binary thinking but don't confuse complexcisity with confusion.
Mathers · 61-69
There you are - gullible people like you believe any rubbish that’s going. You no doubt believe the moon is made of green cheese as well . Proves my point. @Annie13
Annie13 · F
@Mathers It's not rubbish, it's verifiable just meet people who don't align with the gender identity they suppose to have and study some other cultures.
Mathers · 61-69
Oh for goodness sake you guys believe any old rubbish you like. It is absolutely piffle made up by the Internet generation And believed by gullible fools @Annie13
Annie13 · F
@Mathers So anything old is rubbish? What about the Bible then. That's old as well.
Anything you don't like or that could potentially shake up your belief system is made up?
Mathers · 61-69
You are so incredibly facile my friend.@Annie13
Annie13 · F
@Mathers I believe you are the facile one. After all you advocate for simplicity.
DocSavage · M
@Mathers
Would you mind enlightening us on that a bit ? For the most part, scientists look for practical applications for knowledge. You keep implying that disbelief in god somehow leads to frivolous ventures. Where do you get this idea ?
Mathers · 61-69
Not at all we see people believing in the most stupid things in our society. Just read the social commentators. We don’t even know what a woman is . Stop bury your head in the sand little man@DocSavage