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Belief Follows Truth

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself." Matthew 22:37-39

The truth is that God did not create mankind to hate itself and Him but that we should love one another as He has loved us and to love Him with everlasting love.

10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. 13 This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. 16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 1 John 4:10-16

God is Love. There's no denying that.

9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

11 “These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. 12 This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends. 14 You are My friends if you do whatever I command you. 15 No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you. 17 These things I command you, that you love one another. John 15:11-17

Jesus is our Savior and Lord and has the right to command us to love one another. Is that so hard to receive? Which is more powerful, love or hate? You decide.

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DocSavage · M

Fact is we don’t need Jesus or god to tell us these thing’s anymore. Neither said or did anything about slavery. We figured it out ourselves, it just took longer to convince some more than others. Shows that society can evolve morality over time, and do better than god.

So where is the lame ass YouTube video ? We already know you’re incapable of an original thought. Where’s your muse ?

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GodSpeed63 · 70-79, M

@DocSavage

Fact is we don’t need Jesus or god to tell us these thing’s anymore.

Let it go, Doc. You've lost your game according to your standards.

DocSavage · M

@GodSpeed63

You've lost your game according to your standards.

ACCORDING TO WHOM ?

GodSpeed63 · 70-79, M

@DocSavage

ACCORDING TO WHOM ?

God.

DocSavage · M

@GodSpeed63
Show us the chapter and verse

Adstar · 56-60, M

@DocSavage

(John 3:18) "¶ He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

You're condemned already DocSavage..

DocSavage · M

@Adstar

Believing requires some show of proof. If god doesn’t have any, I’m not obligated to believe in the bastard.
If he has a problem with it, too bad.

Adstar · 56-60, M

@DocSavage So why ask a Christian for Chapter and verse??? Hey?

The word of God itself is all the proof that is necessary for those who are moved by the Holy Spirit.. And how can one call someone they don't believe exists a ""bastard??"" 🤣 You fake atheists really display multiple personality disorder type symptoms.. Hating Someone you profess does not exist.. And Oh yeah He has a problem with it and that problem will end up being your problem in eternity..

DocSavage · M

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

I’m supposed to believe, because he says so , or else ?
What do you guys do, make this shit up as you go ?

The word of God itself is all the proof that is necessary

Not in this day and age. Despite the fact I don’t believe in your god, he’s been described well enough for me to consider him a bastard. Regardless, we both know to whom I am referring to.
Chuckles stated

You've lost your game according to your standards.

My standards, require something more than third person hearsay.

Adstar · 56-60, M

@DocSavage I don't care about the day and age.. The Word of God is the message along ith the moving of the Holy Spirit that moves people.. It is all the proof that is needed to draw those who have love for the truth to come to salvation..

And i own and am responsible for what i type here..

And your standards are faulty..

(Proverbs 14:12) "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."

DocSavage · M

@Adstar

He has a problem with it and that problem will end up being your problem in eternity..

You forget , as an Atheist, I not afraid of your god. So what is the point of threats.

Adstar · 56-60, M

@DocSavage It's not a threat.. It's just the way it is going to be if you persist in your rejection of the Word of God.. It's like telling a person if they swallow some arsenic they will die of poisoning and the guy replying. So whats the point of threats.. It's not a threat man it's just what is going to happen if you swallow that arsenic..

DocSavage · M

@Adstar

It is all the proof that is needed to draw those who have love for the truth to come to salvation..

Truth, should not fear then . So why is your’s reluctant to demonstrate that which you consider self evident?
As to my standards, what problem do you have with evidence ? Am I just supposed to accept it all on faith, when so much of it simply doesn’t work ?

DocSavage · M

@Adstar
Yes it is. According to your “rules” I have free will. But if I use it. I burn for eternity. How is that not threatening ? Besides there is existing evidence that arsenic is fatal. So your example fails. There is no evidence for god, and plenty against it. So, I don’t have to take it on faith.

Adstar · 56-60, M

@DocSavage Yes we have free will.. And we have to face the consequences of our free will decisions.. If my will is to drive a car at 200kmh on a country road because i want to experience excitement i also have to face the consequences of a high speed crash that ends up seeing me burn to death in a firy car wreck..

A threat is something that may or may not be carried out.. When i state the unsaved will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire it is not something that may or may not be carried out.. It's just a matter of fact statement..

You can decide what you will about God but that's like the driver deciding that he will never crash and burn because he believes his driving skill is infallable.. But reality does not care about ones personal delusions..

DocSavage · M

@Adstar
Sorry. But until you can establish reality, you are in no position to comment about delusion.
Free will is worthless, without choice. In short, you have to have the right to disagree with god. That choice doesn’t automatically mean you pick evil, or recklessly run wild. The only value it can have is in the feedback.
You are making the assumption that humans can’t make sensible and /or moral decisions without god’s input. You give your god too much credit.
It just might be possible for your driver to go on, without the crash and burn. If no one dares, then we’ll never grow to full potential. Sure, many will fail, but if one makes it, then others may follow. That is not evil, that’s the purpose of free will. To break the boundaries and become better.
If your god wanted sheep, then free will wouldn’t exist.

Adstar · 56-60, M

@DocSavage Don't say sorry to me.. I am saved.. You're the one who should be felt sorry for..

I don't establish the worth of free will.. Free will is just the reality of what is.. It's just the way it is.. You have the ability to disagree with God.. all that does is establish you are evil in what ever area you disagree with God.. God establishes the Gold standards and people reveal the righteousness of their attitudes by agreeing with or disagreeing with the Word of God..

I never said human beings are capable or incapable of making the right decision.. I have accepted the Word of God therefore i have demonstrated that i can make the sensible / moral decision.. Gods input is to provide us with gold standard, Standards that we can measure ourselves against..

(Hebrews 4:12) "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

And the analogy i used about the driver has gone way over the top of you head.. Breaking Gods boundaries makes one an evil fool, not better. It makes them worse..

My God wants to save people who love the truth who respond the right way to moral conviction.. He allows those who love evil and hate what is good to go down the path to eternal destrcution.. Those who love evil shall have the fruit of their desire..

DocSavage · M

@Adstar [quote][/ I don't care about the day and age.. The Word of God is the message along ith the moving of the Holy Spirit that moves people.. It is all the proof that is needed to draw those who have love for the truth to come to salvation..
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You should care. This is the age change. God’s word, isn’t the law anymore.
Conservatives are trying to send us back to the dark ages, but it won’t work.

Adstar · 56-60, M

@DocSavage And those who rebel against the LORD shall have their hour.. A small time in their limited life span to shake their fists at the LORD and mock Him.. But remember He who laughs last, laughts the loudest..

(Psalms 2:1-4) "Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? {2} The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, {3} Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. {4} He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision."

(Psalms 37:10-13) "For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. {11} But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace. {12} The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth. {13} The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming."

DocSavage · M

@Adstar
You keep saying the “truth” as if you have a monopoly on it.
What exactly is “god’s truth” ? Is it possible to have truth, without god ?
To think for yourself, without hatred or evil ? The bible talks about a world that is long gone. The world we live in today is nothing like the ancient Middle East, or Rome in the time of Jesus. To apply those standards to today’s conditions is ridiculous. It will not work. And that is the truth.
Society changes, and evolves. It always has. Your faith, however strong, doesn’t stop the rest of the world from achieving truths, of equal value, without god’s petty rules .

DocSavage · M

@Adstar
I’m an Atheist. Quoting the Bible is pointless because I don’t fear your god.
And as I said before, threats from a imaginary being, which has no realistic, or practical reason to exist, do not impress me.
And I do not see, why my disbelief would classify me as wicked, or why you assume me, and other like me are plotting anything against the just.
If god want to cure our disbelief, there’s an easy, non threatening way to do it. I’m open to some one on one time with him.
I suspect that, you actually resent the fact that, as I said from the start, we don’t need god anymore. We’re more up to date with the world today, and his book is just plain outdated.

Adstar · 56-60, M

@DocSavage

@Adstar
You keep saying the “truth” as if you have a monopoly on it.

One thing i am sure of, God has the monopoly on the truth...

What exactly is “god’s truth” ?

Every Word that has come from the LORD..

Is it possible to have truth, without god ?

Well we are intially given a conscience which gives us a portion of truth.. But to a lesser or greater extent people suppress their consiece because of their desires in life.. When one recieves the Holy Spirit it's like a super consceince on roids 🤣.. He kicks ones moral behind often 😖

The bible talks about a world that is long gone.

The Bible talks of the Will of God.. Which is Eternal..

The world we live in today is nothing like the ancient Middle East, or Rome in the time of Jesus.

Well technologically you are correct.. But when it comes to human faultyness and Godly perfection its the same as it ever was, same as it ever was.. ( wonders if you got the talking heads reference 🤭)

To apply those standards to today’s conditions is ridiculous. It will not work. And that is the truth.

Acknowledging His standards as truth still works to save the one who believes and trusts in the Way God has made for humans to be saved..

Society changes, and evolves. It always has. Your faith, however strong, doesn’t stop the rest of the world from achieving truths, of equal value, without god’s petty rules .

Human societies run around in circles like a chickens with their heads cut off.. declaring they have a New way but only repeating the stupidity that other societies have gone through in other ages.. Again and again and again societies go through cultural disasters because they keep rejecting the Way of the LORD. their vain pride causing them to run head long unto destruction..

Adstar · 56-60, M

@DocSavage

@Adstar
I’m an Atheist. Quoting the Bible is pointless because I don’t fear your god.

I don't quote the Bible because the other person believes the Bible.. I quote the Bible to establish that the point i am making is not something i made up myself.. It matters not a jot to me whether the other person believes the scripture or not.. I post it so they can see it and thus they can destroy themselves bu rejecting it or get on the path to salvation by accepting it.. In any case i am always mindful that others who many not have yet decided either way could be reading on and they may be moved by the Holy Spirit by the scriptures being posted..

And I do not see, why my disbelief would classify me as wicked, or why you assume me, and other like me are plotting anything against the just.

To use another analogy the Word of God is like a water filter.. As a water filter prevent impurities from passing through it to enter ones home, so to does the world of God prevent people who love unrighteousness from entering into the Eternal house of God..

And as for plotting and working against the Word of God.. Your diligence in attacking against anything posted in SW about God and his will is in fact an attack not only upon God but also upon His people and those who are seeking Gods will and are heading towards His perfect eternal existence.. You are definitely against God and are working hard almost daily trying to sabotage His will..

If god want to cure our disbelief, there’s an easy, non threatening way to do it. I’m open to some one on one time with him.

Well then go and ask Him for some one on one time.. Maybe He will respond to your request.. Have you ever considered that He might be talking to you right now through me???

DocSavage · M

@Adstar
Again, your truth makes no sense. Like creationist arguing about evolution. They deny it, because the Bible says god created everything as is. We know for a fact, that isn’t true. They will use fallacies to fight it. But evolution still wins in the end. So what ? Is accepting evolution going to send society to Hell ? Or will evolution stop, because life can’t change without god’s input.
We don’t need god’s word anymore. We can keep moving on without it.
And it doesn’t have to end in disaster.

DocSavage · M

@Adstar

It matters not a jot to me whether the other person believes the scripture or not.. I post it so they can see it and thus they can destroy themselves bu rejecting it or get on the path to salvation by accepting it.. In any case i am always mindful that others who many not have yet decided

Godspeed63 comes here, making the same claims you do. He says the bible is god’s word. And god’s word is the absolute truth, without question, and all must accept it, and obey.
Bollocks ! I still say the human spirit can forge it’s own path. That god’s word is outdated, and there other choices , which do not lead to destruction. All one has to do, is stop fearing the threat of Hell and embrace the life you have now, instead of hedging your bet for an afterlife that probably will never happen.
You’re right, I do attack willful ignorance. But without opposition, free will can’t function. And some things are worth fighting for.

Adstar · 56-60, M

@DocSavage

@Adstar
Again, your truth makes no sense.

To You it makes no sense.. Maybe because you are currently blinded..

(2 Corinthians 4:3-4) "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: {4} In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."

They deny it, because the Bible says god created everything as is. We know for a fact, that isn’t true. They will use fallacies to fight it. But evolution still wins in the end. So what ? Is accepting evolution going to send society to Hell ? Or will evolution stop, because life can’t change without god’s input.

I have never had much of a problem with the theory of Adaptation.. Indeed farmers who use breeding methods to improve livestock and plants prove that Adaptation is a valid belief.. But the theory of evolution is More then the theory of Adaptation.. I pushes the belief that life spontaneously started in some kind of primordial ooze where magically the forces of nature somehow caused the DNA of the first single celled organism to come together so that it could not only be life but also have the capability to reproduce and spawn copies of itself.. This is the BS part of evolution, the fantasy with zero proof that people like you believe on faith, not on any undeniable scientific proof.. That's why the evolutionist believers keep to the Adaptation part of the theory and don't talk about the religous faith based part of evolution that somehow life spontaneously came into existence in some muddy pond somewhere in the past..

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e don’t need god’s word anymore. We can keep moving on without it.
And it doesn’t have to end in disaster.

You definitely do need the Word of God.. You can keep on moving on without it to your own disaster if you so choose and it sounds like this is exactly what you have chosen..

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