Skeptics, Where Is Your Evolution History?

@JimboSaturn Why would you not, given a sufficiently powerful telescope?

@JimboSaturn [quote]How come I can see galaxies that are millions of light years away in my telescope?
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Why not?

@GodSpeed63 Well if the light from the galaxies took millions of years to get to my telescope, how can the universe only be 6,000 years old?

@JimboSaturn
Godspeed63 has a big problem with the concept of light years.

@JimboSaturn

@DocSavage He never attempted to answer my question after being asked 6 times and just coming back with nonsense

@JimboSaturn
Same old same old.

@DocSavage Omg ! Sheer ignorance!

@JimboSaturn
Yep, puts the bar at a new low.

@DocSavage @JimboSaturn
I had never heard of this Ken Ham until this thread so did a little research.

An Australian with a Science BA (but no higher) in Environmental Biology, he started his working life as a teacher before becoming a Commercial Creationist: making his living from promoting Biblical literalism and attacking science. In Ham's case, by running Biblical Literalist theme parks, writing a Flood of books and giving lectures on the subject.

That he has a science degree only makes his twisted statement about the speed of light even more bizarre than on first reading. In effect he is saying that light accelerates, so it travels faster the further it travels!

He is a climate-change denier (or at least denies anthropogenic effects on the climate).

He is also a noted homophobe who makes his "Ark Center" employees sign a pledge that they consider homosexuality a "sin". This suggests that he - who trained as a biologist - regards human sexuality as one of choice.

He opened this Noah-literalist theme park on a date he thought an anniversary of the start of the Flood recounted in a book that gives no calendar dates for anything or anyone; so how he, whose university education must have included statistics, thought that, only he knows.

Ham's religious theme parks and most of his other work came after he moved to America with its much bigger population and probably a far higher proportion by population than in Australia, of Christian fundamentalists. Put simply... more audience so more money!

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I obtained the facts about Ken Ham from Wikipedia, whose entry also cleared up for what had been puzzling me.

I could not understand why the Archbishop Ussher had given an oft-quoted 4000 years as the age of the Universe; but others of that ilk say 6000.

The 4000 years is a wild guess based on a rough geneology using wild assumptions, of the Hebrews in their own version of their own history: i.e. in the books written a few centuries BCE that subsequently become the Torah and later, selectively and in a different order, also the Old Testament. So spans 40 centuries BCE.

Theologically, historically and statistically it is by no means a safe claim. It assumes an unknown but constant length of generation for a start. It seems too short a time for the Hebrew culture, but that did not spring from nothing so might include their precursors. They probably followed the Zorastrian and other religions including worshipping Baal (God of Fertility, in the agricultural sense), in what are now Iran and Syria. Despite Baal forming a early Hebrew name-part, it would have suited the new Hebrews to have expunged anything from their past in their drive to form a cohesive society with a single "official" religion.

What I'd not spotted was why the 2 Millennia difference. It is of course CE, i.e. from Jesus' supposed time on Earth.

Hence 4000 BCE + 2000 CE = 6000 years total.

OT literalism is all totally anti-science in favour of fables merely for their existence in the Bible - despite using modern science and engineering to spread its message. Worse, it presumably implies we are all descended from the incestuous offspring of one unmarried couple. For them, it was of course all poor Eve's fault; hence centuries since of Applied Mysogyny and oppression of children, in the male-chauvinist, Abrahamic-faith based world.

As for the Noah Flood, that would have demanded more water than there is on the planet, to appear very rapidly and to disappear again just as rapidly; but Ham shows you need a BA in Environmental Biology to fail to realise that. Oh, and perhaps Environmental Biologist Ken Ham (BA only) thinks building a barge big enough for the world's fauna and its food supplies, is what deforested and desertified much of the Middle East.


Oh Ignorance is Bliss, especially to those making money promoting it in the belief that Ignorance is God's will!

@ArishMell
Check out his debate with Bill Nye on YouTube. Nye smoked him on his home turf.

@ArishMell


🍊 I don't study these people so I can't comment on people, I just read the Bible, and ofcourse I have two graduate degrees.

But let me tell you that there are many thousand Bible promises in the Bble, and if you test them you will find them to be true. And there are thousands of Bible prophesies that have come true, and are coming true as we speak.

Jesus said we will have birth pangs that increase in strength and frequency until he comes back for us; pestilence, earthquakes, iniquity, cold hearts, terrors, disrespect of parents, increased knowledge, increased travel, mocking the Bible, false Christs, and falling away from the faith.

The more I cling to God the more he helps me and my family. My life is good! I am so sad that the world is in bad shape ofcourse but God is still in control, and he is giving us sign after sign that Jesus is coming soon to end all the violence and sadness in the world. Please don't disregard Jesus words because you believe what some people say about genes, or the age of the universe.

[quote][b]"Eye has not seen , ear has not heard, minds have not imagine what God has prepared for those who love him." 1 Cor 2:9 [/b][/quote]
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@DocSavage [quote]Check out his debate with Bill Nye on YouTube. Nye smoked him on his home turf.[/quote]

I watched the video and Ken Ham flamed Bill Nye hands down. You do a lot of wishful on here, Doc, no wonder you lose on here. Get real, Doc.

@GodSpeed63
Nye sliced him with with one answer. Ham couldn’t even save Noah’s ark