Skeptics, Evolution Has No History

@newjaninev2 [quote]I was startled by the part where he says that Jesus has DNA that was 3% neanderthal, and the part where he says that Jesus has ancestors who were fish, and also by the part where he says that creationists instinctively try to deceive people.[/quote]

I saw the video, so I know what they said. Go play dodge ball somewhere else if you're too scared to go on one on one with me.

@GodSpeed63 Yes, and I’m sure that’s part of what they said in the video... but if you want to say that it wasn’t, then you’ll need to prove it.

Otherwise it must be true, yes?

@newjaninev2 [quote]Otherwise it must be true, yes?[/quote]

No.

@GodSpeed63 [quote]if you're too scared to go on one on one with me[/quote]

[b]Let’s see, shall we?[/b]

All apes except humans have 24 pairs of chromosomes. We humans are the only apes to have 23 pairs.

Evolution made a testable prediction; That somewhere in the human genome we should find evidence of chromosomal fusion. In other words, we should be able to find a fused human chromosome with the remnants of extra telomeres and centromeres.

Since the loss of all the genes in a chromosome would have been fatal to any species, scientists reasoned that if the Theory of Evolution was correct about common ancestry, one of two things must have occurred. Either two chromosomes had fused in humans’ evolutionary past, or chromosomes had split in the other apes. Using 'Occam's Razor’, which states that among competing hypotheses, the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one, the most likely event was chromosome fusion in humans’ ancestors.

Normal chromosomes have a centromere (a chromosomal locus that ensures delivery of one copy of each chromosome to each daughter at cell division.) and ends that are capped with telomeres… think of them as the aglets on shoelaces). It was postulated that if two chromosomes had fused, evidence for such an event would be found in a chromosome with two centromeres and telomeres where they did not belong. That is exactly what was found in human chromosome 2 (chromosomes are numbered by length).

It was subsequently established that the equivalent chimpanzee chromosomes contain the same genes as human chromosome 2 and if placed end to end the positions of those genes match those of the human chromosome. The same chromosomes in all other ape species also line up in the same way…. the fusion event has been confirmed.

Recently we have obtained largely complete genomes of two other human species, those of Neanderthal and Denisovans. We see the same chromosome fusion in their genomes as well, which tells us that the fusion event took place in a common ancestor.

The greatest test of any scientific Theory is in its usefulness as a predictive tool. In this case, as in many others, the Theory of Evolution has delivered.


[b]Let’s go one-on-one[/b]

@GodSpeed63 [quote]No[/quote]

prove it

@newjaninev2 [quote]prove it[/quote]

God already has proven it, it's up to you to prove He hasn't.

@GodSpeed63 Your god doesn't exist. The Flying Spaghetti Monster has proven that so it's up to you to prove It hasn't. r'Amen.

@GodSpeed63 Cluck, cluck, cluck. We all see that you’re scared to go one on one against newjavinev. 🐓

@GodSpeed63 prove that your god has proven it

[b]Let’s go one-on-one[/b]

@GodSpeed63 I have to wonder what kind of God you have that he'd make you defend him while ducking your claims, too.

Look, no one's mocking your beliefs here. What you're being called out on is shouting out extraordinary claims without a scintilla of evidence to support them.

@Graylight Precisely!

@Graylight @newjaninev2 [quote] I have to wonder what kind of God you have that he'd make you defend him while ducking your claims, too.[/quote]

I don't make claims, I give testimonies to the Truth. My God is the one true God who lives forever. He's the Creator of all that is. He's the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and End. He is Love and whoever loves as He loves us abides in Him. In the beginning, He created us to love one another and to love Him. We were never created to hate one another or to hate Him. He is righteous, all knowing, all just, and all powerful. He is all wise and good. His Spirit lives within me and all who have been saved through Jesus Christ, His Son, by His Holy Spirit. He loves you no less than He loves me.

@GodSpeed63 I grew up with religion. Steeped in it. I understand it.

You're approach is entirely what's wrong with religion. Feel free to testify, to share, to help others find their answers.

But claim to be as omniscient as your creator and it's not just my wrath you have to contend with.

Proverbs 8:13
Proverbs 11:2
Proverbs 16:5

@Graylight [quote]I grew up with religion. Steeped in it. I understand it.[/quote]

You may understand religion, but you sure don't understand God.

@GodSpeed63 You cannot know what I understand and what I do not. Nor does it matter or make any difference to my life. I help make the world better every day and enjoy the results of it. No special dispensation from God required.

@Graylight [quote]You cannot know what I understand and what I do not.[/quote]

I may not but God does. Tell me, do you have personal a relationship with God in Heaven?

Proverbs 11:14

Proverbs 12:28

Proverbs 14:12

@GodSpeed63 [quote]I don't make claims[/quote]

Followed by an entire post of unsupported claims 😂 😂

Prove them!

@newjaninev2 [quote]Followed by an entire post of unsupported claims[/quote]

You'll do anything to get out of the discussion, right Newjaninev? You still have leg work to do on your history exam. Be honest this time.

@GodSpeed63 Prove it

@GodSpeed63 Not my book, not relevant to me. All that's being asked here is that you prove what you're saying or concede that you hold a belief, not a universal truth unknown to mere mortal man.

@GodSpeed63 [quote]get out of the discussion[/quote]

What discussion?

This isn’t a discussion. You make unsupported claims, and I ask you to prove those claims, and you then run away.

That’s not a discussion... that’s just you continuing to waste everyone’s time

@newjaninev2 [quote]This isn’t a discussion.[/quote]

It will be when you start supplying some historical records that contradict the established historical records in the Word of God.

@GodSpeed63 Why? The historical context doesn’t have anything to do with your supernatural claims around your book. Churchill’s History of the English-Speaking Peoples doesn’t automatically provide evidence for the existence of gods.

@Graylight @newjaninev2 [quote]Not my book, not relevant to me. All that's being asked here is that you prove what you're saying or concede that you hold a belief, not a universal truth unknown to mere mortal man.[/quote]

I take it that's no. You're right in saying that the truth is unknown to mere mortal men but we're not talking about mere mortal men. We're talking about the one true God that lives forever and His Word being the established history of mankind. Now, come up with something other than your empty opinions of me and show why you believe the Word of God is full of myths instead of historical records.

@newjaninev2 [quote]Why?[/quote]

What've we been talking about on this thread?