You haven’t proven god yet.
All your creationism video do is show what nature and evolution produced. They don’t prove a god was behind it.
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Oberon1 · 61-69, M
I just don't understand why you are so excited about what other people believe. I don't see anyone proselytizing anyone around here. If the proof that you live and breathe on this amazing delicate blue ball in space is not proof enough for you, then you will have to wait until you close your eyes for the last time. The heavens and the earth declare God clearly and loudly, and if you can't see and hear that, then it's your problem and not the problem of the believer. I see proof everywhere. You just can't see it right now. I hope you do before you die, and I hope you are grateful for everything He has given you, and I hope you give your will and your life over to God. If God chooses you, you will believe. If you are not His, you never will. Only God knows who are His.
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Sharon · F
@Oberon1 [quote] I don't see anyone proselytizing anyone around here. [/quote]
Take another look. There are a few christians here who flood the site with the proselytizing posts. Atheist don't care what others belive but some of us strongly object to religious zealots attempting to deceive and ensnare others by presenting their beliefs as proven facts.
[quote]The heavens and the earth declare God clearly and loudly, and if you can't see and hear that, then it's your problem and not the problem of the believer.[/quote]
How does that prove [b]your specific god[/b] exists? It's just as valid for members of other rigions to say the same of their gods. For example - [i]"The heavens and the earth declare Odin clearly and loudly, and if you can't see and hear that, then it's your problem and not the problem of the believer."[/i]
Odinists can see proof everywhere. You just can't see it right now. I hope for your sake you have your story straight and can give a good account of yourself when you meet Him at the Doors to Valhalla.
Take another look. There are a few christians here who flood the site with the proselytizing posts. Atheist don't care what others belive but some of us strongly object to religious zealots attempting to deceive and ensnare others by presenting their beliefs as proven facts.
[quote]The heavens and the earth declare God clearly and loudly, and if you can't see and hear that, then it's your problem and not the problem of the believer.[/quote]
How does that prove [b]your specific god[/b] exists? It's just as valid for members of other rigions to say the same of their gods. For example - [i]"The heavens and the earth declare Odin clearly and loudly, and if you can't see and hear that, then it's your problem and not the problem of the believer."[/i]
Odinists can see proof everywhere. You just can't see it right now. I hope for your sake you have your story straight and can give a good account of yourself when you meet Him at the Doors to Valhalla.
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Oberon1 · 61-69, M
@Sharon We are simply at an impasse. I am not trying to persuade anyone. I am simply responding to a post with what I believe is the truth. I am not leaving bible tracts on any non Christian posts. My personal denomination does not believing in proselytizing because God is the one who chooses those who are destined to belong to Him. Our job is simply to do our best to live according to His Word. Not to try and change how others believe.
You will find posts on Similar Worlds that are Christ oriented, but they are simply intended to provoke conversation among believers. This what a forum is for. Conversation, not conversion. Humorously, it goes something like this.
A- This is what I believe.
B- You are wrong.
A- Why am I wrong?
B- Because I disagree with you.
You will find posts on Similar Worlds that are Christ oriented, but they are simply intended to provoke conversation among believers. This what a forum is for. Conversation, not conversion. Humorously, it goes something like this.
A- This is what I believe.
B- You are wrong.
A- Why am I wrong?
B- Because I disagree with you.
Sharon · F
@Oberon1 [quote] I am not trying to persuade anyone. I am simply responding to a post with what I believe is the truth. [/quote]
That's fine. If other christians were like you there wouldn't be a problem. Too many, however, present their beliefs as established, irrefutable, fact and verbally attack anyone who questions them.
[quote]I am not leaving bible tracts on any non Christian posts.[/quote]
Some christians here flood non-christian (Atheist and other religions) post with their proselytizing posts, efeectively trying to shout others down. You can't blame us for reacting badly to that type of bullying.
That's fine. If other christians were like you there wouldn't be a problem. Too many, however, present their beliefs as established, irrefutable, fact and verbally attack anyone who questions them.
[quote]I am not leaving bible tracts on any non Christian posts.[/quote]
Some christians here flood non-christian (Atheist and other religions) post with their proselytizing posts, efeectively trying to shout others down. You can't blame us for reacting badly to that type of bullying.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@Sharon He literally pushes for legeslation based on his christian believes. In other words, he doesn't want you to believe the same way as him, you just have to live your life according to his delusions.
In the last part of his longer post he makes it about "being wrong". But he avoid the conversation where he prooves to people that his delusions are real.
In the last part of his longer post he makes it about "being wrong". But he avoid the conversation where he prooves to people that his delusions are real.
Oberon1 · 61-69, M
@Sharon @Sharon [quote] Some christians here flood non-christian (Atheist and other religions) post with their proselytizing posts, efeectively trying to shout others down. You can't blame us for reacting badly to that type of bullying.
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I wrote a post about that exact thing. I hope I can find it. I am a Christian, but it's none of my business what other people believe. That, in my opinion, is entirely up to the Almighty, who I know is a figment of my imagination in the minds of many people. I can live with that.
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I wrote a post about that exact thing. I hope I can find it. I am a Christian, but it's none of my business what other people believe. That, in my opinion, is entirely up to the Almighty, who I know is a figment of my imagination in the minds of many people. I can live with that.
Oberon1 · 61-69, M
@Kwek00 [quote] A- This is what I believe.
B- You are wrong, because you can't proof you are right
A- Nah, I'm right because I believe I am[/quote]
You have been standing on, and surrounded by, all the proof you're ever going to get. I've said that a hundred times. Jesus said it a few times. This is a pointless debate that will never end. Whatever literary sources I could give you would be dismissed as fiction. All it turns out to be is an exchange of rhetoric, and the least any of us can do is, at least, be creative with it.
B- You are wrong, because you can't proof you are right
A- Nah, I'm right because I believe I am[/quote]
You have been standing on, and surrounded by, all the proof you're ever going to get. I've said that a hundred times. Jesus said it a few times. This is a pointless debate that will never end. Whatever literary sources I could give you would be dismissed as fiction. All it turns out to be is an exchange of rhetoric, and the least any of us can do is, at least, be creative with it.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@Oberon1 Only because you make it out to be an exchange of "rhetoric".
I can claim that the any mythical being excists and attribute everything that surrounds me to it's excistence. But if there is no clear line to it, and I can't proof this mythical being excists in the first place. Then I can't claim that I'm right, but I can believe that I am. There are 2 diffrent things, "being right" and "believing that I'm right". If both of them aren't found together, then the believer has nothing to show for.
Literary sources? If those were that great, there would be no discussion. God would just be accepted as a fact. The reason why this doesn't happen, is because God hasn't been proven to even excist. The conception of God, it's nature ands it's behaviour only excists in the mind of the people that invoke this being.
I can claim that the any mythical being excists and attribute everything that surrounds me to it's excistence. But if there is no clear line to it, and I can't proof this mythical being excists in the first place. Then I can't claim that I'm right, but I can believe that I am. There are 2 diffrent things, "being right" and "believing that I'm right". If both of them aren't found together, then the believer has nothing to show for.
Literary sources? If those were that great, there would be no discussion. God would just be accepted as a fact. The reason why this doesn't happen, is because God hasn't been proven to even excist. The conception of God, it's nature ands it's behaviour only excists in the mind of the people that invoke this being.
Oberon1 · 61-69, M
@Kwek00 That's the thing. We can claim whatever we want to. I am just one of 2.5 billion people who believe[b] in the atonement provided for man through the suffering, death, resurrection, dominion over evil, and eventual ultimate conquest over evil provided by the love of God through Christ Jesus.[/b] Amen.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@Oberon1 No that's not the thing dumbass. That's YOUR thing, you are just making this appear to be the general case, because you are unable to go beyond your thing. Therefore normalising idiotic patterns of thought because you can't snap out of it.
[quote]A- This is what I believe.
B- You are wrong, because you can't proof you are right
A- [b]Nah, I'm right because I believe I am[/b][/quote]
There are 1,35 bilion hindus, 1,9 billion muslims and none of them can proof their case. It's not because a majority of people believe in delusions, that I'm going to join them. I don't bet my perception of reality on ad populum fallacies.
[quote]A- This is what I believe.
B- You are wrong, because you can't proof you are right
A- [b]Nah, I'm right because I believe I am[/b][/quote]
There are 1,35 bilion hindus, 1,9 billion muslims and none of them can proof their case. It's not because a majority of people believe in delusions, that I'm going to join them. I don't bet my perception of reality on ad populum fallacies.
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Oberon1 · 61-69, M
@Max13 This is one of my favorite works from the Torah. Psalm 19
19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.
8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.
19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.
8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.
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