Only Love Can Create Such Beauty

@Entwistle [quote]Then your God must also have created cancer,toothache,all kinds of suffering.[/quote]

All of that was caused by the fall of mankind, not God.

@GodSpeed63 His rules. He could have forgiven Adam and Eve. An omniscient God would know the outcome of every situation before it ever occured. So..he is to blame.

@Entwistle [quote]He could have forgiven Adam and Eve.[/quote]

He did forgive them just like He can forgive you. Want to live in a perfect world? Get forgiven.

@GodSpeed63

[quote]He did forgive them[/quote]

No, no. The point being that instead of causing not just humans, but every living thing on the planet to get diseases, suffer and die for thousands of years...he could have just said "You made a mistake. I forgive you".

@GodSpeed63
If he forgave us, then who needs Jesus ?

@DocSavage [quote]If he forgave us, then who needs Jesus ?[/quote]

Every one of us,including you.

@GodSpeed63
No, I can manage fine without him. Have for years now

@Pikachu [quote]No, no. The point being that instead of causing not just humans, but every living thing on the planet to get diseases, suffer and die for thousands of years...he could have just said "You made a mistake. I forgive you".[/quote]

Want to live in a perfect world? Get forgiven.

@GodSpeed63

Way to side-step the issue. Bud.

@DocSavage [quote]No, I can manage fine without him. Have for years now[/quote]

You can't even draw your next breath without His say so.

@GodSpeed63

[quote]You can't even draw your next breath without His say so.[/quote]

No that's Allah. Prove me wrong

@GodSpeed63
Been doing it for years now. Still going strong

@Pikachu @DocSavage [quote]No that's Allah. Prove me wrong[/quote]

Don't call yourselves atheists, Pikachu, you'd be lying.

@GodSpeed63

[quote]Don't call yourselves atheists, Pikachu, you'd be lying.[/quote]

Nah.
That's wrong.
I've explained it to you before but i'm happy to do it again.
An atheist is someone who does not believe or disbelieves in the existence of a deity. That’s it.
Many such living people exist.
No matter how you attempt to distort the meaning of the word (and you must, since no definition supports the idea that an atheist believes in a god) it does not make atheists any less of a real thing.

Maybe you'd like to say that people replace god in their lives with false idols like money or sex or pride.
Sure, fine. Whatever.
But those people still do not believe that those things are deities and so they remain atheists.
Simple as that.

If you believe otherwise, then I invite you to describe the ways in which money or sex can be said to have the attributes of a god.

Now let's watch as you utterly fail to respond to this argument. Additionally, let's see if you even read this post to the bottom because unless you say otherwise, this is a binding contract that asserts that you believe there is no god but allah and muhammad is his prophet.

@GodSpeed63
As you always say “PROVE IT”
It hasn’t been done yet, and you can’t do it now

@DocSavage @DocSavage [quote]An atheist is someone who does not believe or disbelieves in the existence of a deity.[/quote]

Then why do you keep bringing up these false deities like they were your own gods?

@GodSpeed63
To illustrate the fact that gods are man made. You agree they are false, yet they all were worshipped by millions who believed them to be real. Your god is no different and no more real than the ones before him. Any evidence you have for or against their existence applies to Yahweh too. One is as worthless as the others.

@DocSavage Absolutely spot on. Well said.

@DocSavage @Entwistle [quote]To illustrate the fact that gods are man made.[/quote]

If man had his way, he'd rather not have any gods around what so ever. He doesn't like to answer to anybody for his crimes.

@GodSpeed63
There aren’t any gods around. That’s why they were manufactured . It gave people a reason for why things happen, and it gives them a reason to keep in line. Atheist realized that we no longer need the fairytales. We can handle morality ourselves. Without the threats of lakes of fire.

@DocSavage [quote]There aren’t any gods around. [/quote]

Prove it. Where's your evidence and your facts that support what you say is true?

@GodSpeed63
You provided the evidence yourself, chuckle head. You acknowledged the “false” gods. You don’t believe in them. But you are aware that people worshipped them at one time or another. You got temples and statues of them all over the world. The majority of which pre date Christianity. If you accept the fact that those gods aren’t real and were created , it stands to reason they could do the same with your god. You can’t prove those other gods are false anymore than you can prove Yahweh is real. Just the latest in a long line of fables.

@DocSavage [quote]You provided the evidence yourself[/quote]

Won't wash. Can't you do better than have been, Doc?

@GodSpeed63
Feeble reply. Checkmate., you lose.

@DocSavage [quote]Feeble reply[/quote]

I guess not.