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room101 · 51-55, M
"....superior foundation for morality"
Methinks I detect an oxymoron😉
Methinks I detect an oxymoron😉
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@room101
And i am truly comfortable with that lol.
But what i meant was if you google the definition for morality, i'm happy to use that as the defined term for the purposes of this debate.
I can copy and paste it if you like but i was just trying to save time. So much for that lol
I'm disappointed. Truly.
And i am truly comfortable with that lol.
But what i meant was if you google the definition for morality, i'm happy to use that as the defined term for the purposes of this debate.
I can copy and paste it if you like but i was just trying to save time. So much for that lol
room101 · 51-55, M
@Pikachu My question isn't about google definitions etc. It's about what you deem to be moral. Perhaps a somewhat clumsy example will help to illustrate why (and what) I'm asking.
There are many cultures and communities and groups which consider consensual polygamy to be perfectly moral. Not all of them are religions. However, our Western societies frown on polygamy so much that we've enacted laws against the practice.
So, who is right? Is consensual polygamy even a moral issue?
There are many cultures and communities and groups which consider consensual polygamy to be perfectly moral. Not all of them are religions. However, our Western societies frown on polygamy so much that we've enacted laws against the practice.
So, who is right? Is consensual polygamy even a moral issue?
room101 · 51-55, M
@Pikachu Yeah, I'm not sure that I've read anything in any texts about secular humanism which condones polygamy.
It's almost 01:30am where I am so I'll have a dig around a bit and come back to you on that one some other time. In any event, polygamy is just an illustration vis-a-vis, what is your idea of morality?
It's almost 01:30am where I am so I'll have a dig around a bit and come back to you on that one some other time. In any event, polygamy is just an illustration vis-a-vis, what is your idea of morality?
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room101 · 51-55, M
@CopperCicada Just as there are multiple definitions of morality. Which is the point that I'm trying to make.
As I said, polygamy was just a way of illustrating my point.
As I said, polygamy was just a way of illustrating my point.
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room101 · 51-55, M
@Pikachu The point that I'm trying to make is that, basing a debate on the concept of morality is akin to building a house on shifting sands.
Our social constructs are, and must be, dynamic and organic.
Things go very wrong when groups try to constrict the organic and dynamic nature of our societies. And yes, formal religions are usually the worst culprits. But, so are our social constructs. Even those which formally separate state and religion. Ironic, right?
Because our social constructs must be dynamic and organic, the moral codes which underpin them must be equally adaptive. Must be allowed to evolve.
Before you start jumping up and down and waving and telling me that, that's what secular humanism promotes, I'd like to point out two things. First, humanism argues that moral values are properly founded on human nature and experience alone (Robert Ashby). Human nature can be a pretty crappy thing on which to base anything. Second, if we look at the actual teachings of Christ, it's relatively easy to determine that he was both a humanist and a socialist.
Our social constructs are, and must be, dynamic and organic.
Things go very wrong when groups try to constrict the organic and dynamic nature of our societies. And yes, formal religions are usually the worst culprits. But, so are our social constructs. Even those which formally separate state and religion. Ironic, right?
Because our social constructs must be dynamic and organic, the moral codes which underpin them must be equally adaptive. Must be allowed to evolve.
Before you start jumping up and down and waving and telling me that, that's what secular humanism promotes, I'd like to point out two things. First, humanism argues that moral values are properly founded on human nature and experience alone (Robert Ashby). Human nature can be a pretty crappy thing on which to base anything. Second, if we look at the actual teachings of Christ, it's relatively easy to determine that he was both a humanist and a socialist.
room101 · 51-55, M
@CopperCicada Likewise. We do tend to run into each other in such debates😂😂😂