How Can Anyone Say, "There Is No God." With Such Beauty All Around Us? [Spirituality & Religion]

@newjaninev2
Even Charles Darwin had the sense to admit that he could be wrong.


Not an exact quote.

@GodSpeed63
Yes, that’s what every scientist does... but creationists cannot


So, just something you made up?

@newjaninev2
Why not?



That's an exact quote.

@GodSpeed63 I'm going to ask this. Why is evolution the only thing that you attack? There are countless things in modern science more fundamental that would contradict with a scientific narrative based on Biblical literalism. But you pick this one. WHy?

@CopperCicada
Why do you think I'm attacking creationism?

@GodSpeed63 Typo on my part.

I meant to say "evolution".

Why of all the things in modern science which contradict Biblical literalism-- why is this the one that people focus on?

@GodSpeed63 It's a genuine question. As somebody trained as a scientist in the physical sciences I can think of a large number of more fundamental contradictions than natural selection/evolution.

@GodSpeed63 Typical creationist deception. I know you need to quote-mine, but it’s always tedious when that’s your only way of bolstering your claims... but such sophistry is easily shown up.

Let’s have the entire passage, shall we?

"To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.

When it was first said that the sun stood still and the world turned round, the common sense of mankind declared the doctrine false; but the old saying of vox populi, vox dei, as every philosopher knows, cannot be trusted in science. Reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a simple and imperfect eye to one complex and perfect can be shown to exist, each grade being useful to its possessor, as is certainly the case; if further, the eye ever varies and the variations be inherited, as is likewise certainly the case; and if such variations should be useful to any animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, should not be considered as subversive of the theory”
Charles Darwin

Now, let’s detail exactly what Darwin was saying in this passage...

@GodSpeed63 The passage by Darwin... the passage that you’re now desperately trying to ignore... says that even though you personally might be flabbergasted by what you see, there is actually a viable and demonstrable explanation... and that explanation is Evolution by Natural Selection.

@newjaninev2
That statement wouldn't cut mustard.

@GodSpeed63 so you offer yet another self-serving claim without any substance to back it up.

Keep running

@newjaninev2
You need to wake up from your fantasy world, lady.

@newjaninev2 demonstratable? No scientist yet has been able to do that yet you claim it so? Let's see that demonstration, and I do not mean a simulation based on theory

@Faith13praise Just to be clear... are you asking for demonstrable evidence of evolution?

@Faith13praise Just to be clear... are you asking for demonstrable evidence of evolution?

@Faith13praise Just to be clear... are you asking for demonstrable evidence of evolution?

@newjaninev2 yes, and also if science is reproducible let's see that, similarity in genes does not count, use of the same materials will produce similarities in the creation.

@Faith13praise Humans and chimpanzees both carry inactive genes acquired from viruses.
This occurs because some viruses insert a copy of their genome into the DNA of whichever species they infect. These are called retro-viruses... HIV is one such.

Where such viruses infect the cells that produce sperm and eggs, they can be passed on across generations.

The human genome contains thousands of these remnants of long-past infections... now rendered harmless... and so does the chimpanzee genome.

Most of them are in exactly the same place on both genomes.

That’s astonishing, so I’ll repeat it: most of them are on exactly the same place on both genomes.

Let’s choose an explanation from a few (non-exhaustive) options:

1. astonishing coincidence

2. when the gods created humans they decided to sprinkle around several thousand retro-viruses, and they put the preponderance of retroviruses at matching sites on both species because... umm... because... well... because... stop questioning the gods!

3. The majority of retroviruses match because both species inherited them from a common ancestor, who had itself accumulated them from the line of its own descent.

The small number which do not match are the remnants of infections that each species has warded off independently since divergence from the common ancestor... as predicted by the Theory of Evolution.

So, which explanation would you like to choose?

@Faith13praise The flu evolves and new vaccine is needed every year. Covid is showing the same.

@Faith13praiseSo, which explanation would you like to choose?

@Faith13praiseSo, which explanation would you like to choose?

@BlueSkyKing Perhaps it would be helpful if I supplied several more examples of demonstrable evidence of evolution?

@newjaninev2 One of my.favorites is the recurrent laryngeal nerve.

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@newjaninev2 Also go to YouTube and see the "Your Inner Fish" series.

@Faith13praiseSo, which explanation would you like to choose?