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littlepuppywantanewlife · 31-35, M
BlueSkyKing · M
@Carazaa Get your history right. All over the east coast of America there were colonies from other European nations. Spanish, French, Dutch, Swedes, German, and Scots all attempted colonies for various reasons.
For many like the Puritans of 1620 Plymouth and Quakers in Pennsylvania, religiously persecuted people was the motive. The Church of England is the state religion and lots of intolerance was within Christianity. When the United States was created, the Constitution was specific on freedom of all religions and from religion. Separation of church and state.
For many like the Puritans of 1620 Plymouth and Quakers in Pennsylvania, religiously persecuted people was the motive. The Church of England is the state religion and lots of intolerance was within Christianity. When the United States was created, the Constitution was specific on freedom of all religions and from religion. Separation of church and state.
Carazaa · F
@BlueSkyKing You did not watch the video I see.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Carazaa Via the Romans I think, but it would not have converted to Christianity in one go and the old religions probably lingered in various of the more remote regions for a long time after 100AD.
There were other evangelists though, not ever so much later, who came to England from the Continent.
The religion took another 1400 years or so to reach the Americas USA simply because it took till then for Europeans to start colonising both continenta in any real numbers - and often brutally towards the real residents and their own faiths, too.
There were other evangelists though, not ever so much later, who came to England from the Continent.
The religion took another 1400 years or so to reach the Americas USA simply because it took till then for Europeans to start colonising both continenta in any real numbers - and often brutally towards the real residents and their own faiths, too.
littlepuppywantanewlife · 31-35, M
@Carazaa ofcourse all British were converted in Christian quickly and they tried to convert every colony into Christians.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@littlepuppywantanewlife I don't think it was all that quick as the Britiswh Isles was originally occupied by many widely separated cultures and small kingdoms with many influences from abroad; but yes, from the 17C on settlers from what became Britain did assume it their duty to force their faith on other countries.
Many of the colonists were refugees from sectarian strife in their home lands, but evidently did not see the irony...
Many of the colonists were refugees from sectarian strife in their home lands, but evidently did not see the irony...
BlueSkyKing · M
@Carazaa Went over it. Our country is a product of The Enlightenment not religion. A new idea that focuses on the rights of man. You seem to not want freedom of religion and us to have freedom from religion.
On June 24, 1826, Thomas Jefferson wrote his last letter. Addressed from his Virginia home, Monticello, it
was sent in response to an invitation from Roger C. Weightman, the chairman of a Washington committee to celebrate the then-impending fiftieth anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. Jefferson proffered regrets that his fast-declining health would prevent him from making the journey to the capital. He went on to elaborate this regret in the following manner:
"I should, indeed, with peculiar delight, have met and exchanged there congratulations personally with the small band, the remnant of that host of worthies who joined with us on that day, in the bold and doubtful election we were to make for our country, between submission or the sword; and to have enjoyed with them the consolatory fact, that our fellow citizens, after half a century of experience and prosperity, continue to approve the choice we made. May it be to the world, what I believe it will be (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all), the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. That form which we have substituted, restores the free right to the unbounded exercise of reason and freedom of opinion. All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man.The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God. These are grounds of hope for others. For ourselves, let the annual return of this day forever refresh our recollections of these rights, and an undiminished devotion to them."
Thomas Jefferson died on the immediately following Fourth of July, killed by a wasting diarrhea and an infection of the urinary tract. His final words were: “Is it the Fourth?” On the same day, his great rival John Adams died at Quincy, Massachusetts. His final words were: “Thomas Jefferson still lives,” or, at the very least, “Thomas Jefferson...” Many tales of the last words of famous men are apocryphal, or are pious fabrications, but these seem tolerably well authenticated.
In the above letter, Jefferson touched upon all the chief points of his political life. He did not need to mention his own authorship of the Declaration, the preamble to which had established the concept of human rights, for the first time in history, as the basis for a republic. He trenchantly restated the view that the American Revolution was founded on universal principles, and was thus emphatically for export. He laid renewed stress on the importance of science and innovation as the spur of the Enlightenment, and scornfully contrasted this with mere faith and credulity. His open skepticism in point of religion is the more striking given that he had by that date already made his own will, designed his own tombstone, and told his physicians that he was quite prepared for death.
Thomas Jefferson Author of America - Christopher Hitchens
On June 24, 1826, Thomas Jefferson wrote his last letter. Addressed from his Virginia home, Monticello, it
was sent in response to an invitation from Roger C. Weightman, the chairman of a Washington committee to celebrate the then-impending fiftieth anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. Jefferson proffered regrets that his fast-declining health would prevent him from making the journey to the capital. He went on to elaborate this regret in the following manner:
"I should, indeed, with peculiar delight, have met and exchanged there congratulations personally with the small band, the remnant of that host of worthies who joined with us on that day, in the bold and doubtful election we were to make for our country, between submission or the sword; and to have enjoyed with them the consolatory fact, that our fellow citizens, after half a century of experience and prosperity, continue to approve the choice we made. May it be to the world, what I believe it will be (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all), the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. That form which we have substituted, restores the free right to the unbounded exercise of reason and freedom of opinion. All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man.The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God. These are grounds of hope for others. For ourselves, let the annual return of this day forever refresh our recollections of these rights, and an undiminished devotion to them."
Thomas Jefferson died on the immediately following Fourth of July, killed by a wasting diarrhea and an infection of the urinary tract. His final words were: “Is it the Fourth?” On the same day, his great rival John Adams died at Quincy, Massachusetts. His final words were: “Thomas Jefferson still lives,” or, at the very least, “Thomas Jefferson...” Many tales of the last words of famous men are apocryphal, or are pious fabrications, but these seem tolerably well authenticated.
In the above letter, Jefferson touched upon all the chief points of his political life. He did not need to mention his own authorship of the Declaration, the preamble to which had established the concept of human rights, for the first time in history, as the basis for a republic. He trenchantly restated the view that the American Revolution was founded on universal principles, and was thus emphatically for export. He laid renewed stress on the importance of science and innovation as the spur of the Enlightenment, and scornfully contrasted this with mere faith and credulity. His open skepticism in point of religion is the more striking given that he had by that date already made his own will, designed his own tombstone, and told his physicians that he was quite prepared for death.
Thomas Jefferson Author of America - Christopher Hitchens
Carazaa · F
@BlueSkyKing You seem to believe that if we are chrstians we wont die, or ever get sick, or do anything wrong ever. We don't call ourself Chrsistians because we are good, but because Jesus is good, and we are sinners in need of him.
BlueSkyKing · M
@Carazaa You are putting words in my mouth. Don’t the rights of of the individual matter at all?
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