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Right or Wrong in the Creation/Evolution Debate [Spirituality & Religion]

There is a mindset within mainstream Evangelicalism that it doesn’t matter who is right, so long as everyone treats everyone well and that we all agree on essentials. In fact, some people go so far as to argue that when person X and person Y hold contradictory positions on an issue, both positions must be accepted as orthodox, unless they are “essential” issues. This mindset has even crept into the creationist camp, with one recent book arguing that we should “play for a draw” with the old earth compromisers.1 While this would be the easier path for Christians, Jesus does not call his followers to an easy path.
In the creation/evolution debate, only one group can be right. The literal Bible and evolution are fundamentally incompatible, no matter what compromised groups such as BioLogos attempt to argue. It therefore logically follows that if only one answer is right, the others are wrong. Yet Wheaton professor and BioLogos contributor John Walton fails to acknowledge this principle. Regarding a colleague who disagreed, Walton wrote, "Rather than suggest that my colleague was wrong, I would assert that while both positions were logical and sought to be faithful to Scripture, I considered my view to offer a preferable interpretation that enjoyed the support of a preponderance of the evidence. In my mind that did not make his view wrong, only less probable. Consequently, I would not suggest that someone holding his view should be considered unfaithful to the Word, heretical in their conclusions, or un-Christian, and thus excluded from the fellowship of the church. Yet those are exactly the sorts of things that people holding a view like his (though not he himself) would say about me and others who hold views similar to mine. I do not attack them as wrong; yet they don’t hesitate to label me that way. There is a difference between being wrong and holding mutually exclusive possible interpretations."
Dr. Walton gives a lot away in this section of the paper. He paints himself and his view as being unfairly labeled wrong. And there is a kernel of truth here. Sometimes there can be multiple ways to understand passages that are orthodox. Eschatology is such an example: there are multiple ways of understanding the same eschatological passages, comparing Scripture with Scripture. However, Genesis is different. Walton is drawing a false equivalence because the origins question is never settled among the compromisers by an appeal to the text. Instead, it is almost invariably settled by appealing to something outside the text, usually either science or ancient near eastern literature. Scripture is thus subjected, and we might add subjugated, to outside sources. It is hardly surprising to see Walton doing this. His Lost World series of books consistently subjects Genesis (and other Old Testament books) to the literature of the ancient near east.3 However, the important thing to note in his argument is his statements about right and wrong. He believes that there is no “right” answer to the origins question, only the most probable one. In other words, the Bible is insufficient to address the origins question. We must instead make decisions on origins based on “preponderance of the evidence.”
Unfortunately, Walton is just wrong Scripturally. Second Peter 1:20 tells us that there is only one correct interpretation of Scripture in context. Some issues can be viewed differently when comparing Scripture with Scripture, but since Walton does not build his case on Scripture, he cannot argue the origins issue is one of these issues. There is a right answer to origins. Since that is the case, it behooves us to determine what it is and then defend it.
Walton does recognize at the end of his article that there are absolute rights and wrongs but then undercuts the claim: “Ultimately, it is true that one view is right and others are wrong, but such absolute vision is not always available.”8 What Walton does not say, or perhaps is unwilling to accept, is that we do have absolute vision on the origins question. The Bible tells us specifically what God did, how he did it, and how long it took—and it is incompatible with any other interpretation out there that invokes an old earth and death before sin. So incompatible, in fact, that it undermines the central theme of Scripture and Christianity itself: the gospel message of Adam’s sin causing death, separation from God, and a groaning creation, all of which only the second Adam can fix. These questions are not up for debate unless you are willing to undermine biblical authority—and ultimately the gospel. The origins question has a right answer, and the Bible tells us exactly what that answer is. God created everything in six literal twenty-four hour days and rested the seventh day roughly six thousand years ago.

Answers in Genesis.
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Carazaa · F
I believe in the Bible as Gods literal word. He says he created the world in 6 days, and rested on the 7th. I wont argue with him on that.

He also tells us "[b]the ending from the beginning[/b]" and "[b]a thousand days for man is like a day for God".[/b] So after 6000 years I believe we will have rest. Which is right about now.

And he says in three days I will rise again. Its been 2000 years since Jesus died and we are going into the third day right about now.(He rose very early the third day)

And he says" [b]when the gospel has gone out to the whole world that's the end[/b]" which is right about now.

Jesus says I will come again and I think it is right about now.

So wake up people!

[b]"[big]No eye has seen, no ear heard what God has prepared for those who love him"[/big][/b]
@Carazaa Wait... you started this comment with the words "I believe", and you give nothing for evidence but what's written in the book that in your [i]opinion[/i] is written by God, and you're telling us we need to wake up. If you really feel that you have hard evidence, where is it?
Carazaa · F
@LordShadowfire giminy cricket...I think I have gone over this a few times a day the ast few years 😂 Ill post my explanation again then, just a sec, hold your horses!
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Carazaa [quote]"No eye has seen, no ear heard what God has prepared for those who love him"[/quote]

Amen, sister, amen. Keep up the good work.
@Carazaa I'm sorry if it's bothering you. Debating is something that doesn't get old for me, so please do let me know if you're just getting worn out from it.
Carazaa · F
@LordShadowfire I thought I posted my reply. Sorry, no I like to debate, no worries.. But Sweden is playing Spain on ESPN at noon so then I have to go. are you watching the soccer match?
How I know The Bible is true and Jesus is God's Son!
Here is the proof

1. God saved me one day when I was 7 years old. The proof that God is at work in peoples lives is that many don't grow up in Christian homes, but God saves them and totally changes their lives for the better because he has compassion for them. God explains in the Bible that He is a spirit, and does not talk to us but is everywhere and he comes into our hearts if we repent and follow Jesus. Then he communicates with us in our soul. It is not a feeling we have but an understanding. We see truth. We see that God is Holy, and we are sinful. Why doesn't God speak with some people? Because they haven't repented. But Jesus, God Almighty, came and spoke many parables and people wrote them down. God speaks in a spiritual way today and he knows our hearts, and our thoughts. He discloses himself to those whom he wants to disclose himself, and not to others.
When we are born again the Holy Spirit comes into our hearts, and we are changed forever, we want to do Gods will more than anything, and we live for him. We love God and love all people. Jesus says you shall know them by their fruit! A true Christian is known by their love, because God is love.
I was born again at 7 years old. I was not allowed to go to the church across the street and I was not to give my allowance away. I wanted to make God happy and give to the gospel, so it could go out to the whole world. I am glad that I do now because I have been financially blessed after I started giving 10%. I own my house, paid off my car, have savings, and give more each year, and I make more each year. I was very poor before I tithed and even lived in a shelter a day when my x husband hurt me. I had nothing, and now life is good. God helps us when we love him.
Many who proclaim to be Christians, including pastors, are not born again but they go to church to socialize, or because their families want them to, or they want to appear "good", or they want to start a church to get rich. Be careful that you give to the gospel going out into the world. Many think that all Christians are indoctrinator and all the same. This is not true. I am not political except I expect people to be treated fairly and that we have a caring government, I am not a far right conservative. I believe in gun laws and the autonomy of our own bodies. It cracks me up to watch these atheist shows and sceptic shows where all they do is bash Christians and stereotype us. I also love science and I am very logical and would never put my trust in the Bible as Gods word unless it is proven.

2. Another proof is that the specific prophesies in the Bible have all come true, and so we know God inspired The Bible. The most significant is the one where God begged the Jews 3000 years ago to not worship "gods of stone, wood, and gold that don't hear or see". And that he would scatter them all over the world if they did, and he warned that the people in those countries would not treat them nice. He said they "would be hated and some would be killed" This happened as we know in many countries. They have been persecuted by evil people like Hitler.


3. Another prophesy in the Bible that proves the Bible is true is God said that he would bring them back to their own land in the end times. Ezekiel 37:21 21and say to them, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. This happened in 1948. We know therefor that we are in the last days. Jesus told us in Matthew 24, Mark, Daniel, James 2:15-16
and The Book of Revelation,


more prophesies...Jesus told us there would be signs all over the world right before he returns in the clouds to judge the living and the dead. What are the signs to look for? He said the signs in the last generation would be "Increased knowledge, people increasing travel, iniquity abounding, cold hearts, great earthquakes, pestilences, terrors, false pastors, falling away from the faith, and scoffers mocking the Bible and Noah's flood saying "where is Jesus coming back?"

So do we see any of these things? Knowledge increased until 1945, then had doubled 1958, then doubled again 1960, then every 5 years, and now every 12 minutes. Only in our generation has this happened.
A hundred years ago people travelled by horse, and did not travel much, now we travel by cars and planes everywhere. Only in our generation has this happened.
Jesus IS coming in our generation.



In the Book of Daniel God says

"The words are sealed until the end 1290 days . Many will be" purified" but none of the wicked will understand. .
And blessed is he who waits and comes to the 1335 more days. Daniel 12:12
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So what did God say would be disclosed near the end of time in Daniel 12:9-11? Lets figure it out! What do you think it means? And what is at the end?

In John 2:22 It says that anyone denying Christ is antichrist."

In Daniel 8 It says for 2300 days the sanctuary will be cleansed and trampled under foot.

The abomination that causes desolation spoken in the Book of Daniel 680 BC and again mentioned in the New Testament in Mark and Matthew and The book of Revelation,

"So Let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, when you see the abomination that makes desolate."

Islam denies Christ as Gods Son and built a dome of the Rock in Jerusalem in 688 AD.
According to encyclopedia Brittanica
It was built by the order of the Umayyad caliph Abd al-Malik (r. 685–705). According to Sibt ibn al-Jawzi (1185–1256), construction started in 685/86, while al-Suyuti (1445–1505) holds that its commencement year was 688. A dedicatory inscription in Kufic script is preserved inside the dome.says
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In Rev 11, It says the woman will flee to the wilderness 1260 days ( if we apply this to years) The Jews were scattered.

In 333 BC Alexander the great conquered the persian Empire. 333 AD Plus 2300 =1967 peace treaty

688 AD Dome of the Rock was built on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem

688 + 1290= 1978 A peace treaty (UNIFIL)

688 + 1260 = 1948 Israel became a nation

688 + 1335 Daniel 12:12 = 2023 AD


4 We know that the Bible is true because of Jesus words are true, his life, and miracles proved it. Many have died witnessing because he has proved it to them. Jesus said he was God and he proved it with his actions. "Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.” Matt 28:18 Not only did he do amazing miracles and raised people from the Dead. but he rose infront of 500 people who testified about the miracles, who were all willing to die for their testimony because they knew what they saw. Not only did those people write about him but others witnessed who were not Christian like Josephus, and others who I wrote about in a post last year. And He told us that he would come back in the clouds for the whole world to see. He gave us signs when the last generation is "Great earthquakes" would increase in the end times right before he comes back, pestilences would be all over, iniquity would abound, cold hearts, mocking the Bible, false preachers, and falling away from the faith, increased knowledge, and the gospel preached to every tongue and people. These would be signs for us to get ready and know he is coming in the last generation. He says If you deny me, I will deny you in front of my Father when I come with the angels to judge the living and the dead.
Jesus said he would rise "after three days and three nights", and he did. There was Friday, Saturday and he rose on Sunday morning. Any part of a day is counted that specific day. Some Scriptures speak of Jesus' resurrection "after three days" (Mark 8:31; Matthew 27:63). Other verses say "in three days" (Matthew 26:61, 27:40, John 2:19 - 20, Mark 14:58, 15:29). Still others speak of "the third day" (Mark 9:31, 10:34, Matthew 16:21, 17:23, 20:19, 27:64, Luke 9:22, 18:33, 24:7, 21, 46, Acts 10:40, 1Corinthians 15:4).

5. We know the Bible is true because his promises are proven true today for those who test them out. When God says "The country whos God is the Lord will be blessed." The most successful countries have been protestant Christian and many for over 1000 years like Scandinavia. They have the happiest citizens in the world. They have most refugees fleeing to those countries because of equality, and justice, and they are richer than the catholic, Muslim, and Hindu, and Sikh countries. Before they were Christian they were pagan and sacrificed babies to Thor, stole, and plundered.

6. Most scientists come from strong Christian families as I proved with research a year ago, even more than any other field. The more we know the more we realize there must be a God. I have a Masters in Science, and a Masters in Arts. And Most Nobel prize winners come from Christian families. My Dad was asked to sit on the Nobel academy and his Grandpa was a pastor, although he had faith in God I think he wasn't born again until later in his life as he shared with me. God blesses children and their children of Godly parents.
Ingmar Bergman the most serious filmmaker with most Nobel prizes his father was a pastor. The only rock star with a Nobel prize is a Christian, Bob Dylan. Christianity is knowing truth. God tells us where we came from and where we are going in the Bible. We did not come from nothing. He made us. Those who follow truth become successful.

7. WE know that God made the world from looking at it. He says "the firmament declares his glory." The sunrise in the morning, the birds in the trees, the flowers in the field, and the newborn baby so beautiful, all proclaim his intelligence.


8. We know that the Bible is Gods word because when we trust him he helps us miraculously. This is something you only find out after you act on his promises in the Bible. Then he does miracles for you.
I'll share some miracles he did for me!


🌷HERE ARE SOME OF THE MIRACLES GOD DID FOR ME!🌷

Have you had your prayers answered? If so please share!


I believe you have to be born again, and put God 1st in money and time.

"Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this, says the LORD Almighty, and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it."


Miracle 1
To demonstrate how God has blessed me when I tithe: Here is a story for you. I was young and my husband left me and moved in with a girl down the street. I was young with two small kids and I cried out to God what can I do to be blessed.
And he showed me the verse in Malachi to tithe, so I gave 10% of my $400 I was making a month at the time. My rent was $550 so I did it on faith because I was going to be super short on rent.
Then a day or so before my rent was due, a lady knocked on my door and said. "I have a gift for you, $22.000 because you gave me a few rides last year to a nursing home." She said "My friend died and he gave me his money in his will, but I don't need it, because I am a millionaire." I could pay my rent. Praise God.

Miracle 2
Another answered prayer was when I was late for work when I was young and drove very fast 80 miles an hour on a very rainy day onto a 5 lane freeway packed of cars and had to slam on my brakes because the traffic came to a stop. I couldn't get into the next lane because there was a big truck there so I went spinning around 3 times and yelled "Please don't make me hit anyone God" and my car stopped miraculously exactly parallel less than an inch from the cement divider. The whole freeway stopped for me. I still can't figure how my car didn't hit anyone

Miracle 3 Another miracle was when I worked an hr. from my home and wanted to find a job in my profession closer to home. I called my previous supervisor where I had done an internship to ask if he knew anyone hiring! I quit a year before working part time for him because I needed s full time job and none was available. He told me his friend was hiring and called him. His friend called me and said he wanted to interview me because I came with the highest recommendations. I interviewed and he offered me the job. I declined it because I couldn’t pay my bills on the salary he offered. He needed Spanish fluent speakers. But because he had no employees at the time and a lot of work he was willing to hire me even though I wasn’t fluent. But the county couldn’t increase the starting salary so I continued working in my other job for another 2 months. What my boss said when I called back was just miraculous. I called him after a few months to ask if the job was still avsilable. He said yes and no one had called all those months at all so the job was still available and I accepted it. The day after I accepted the job my boss told me that he had so many Spanish speakers call and then he had a full office staff for the company! God held that job for me! I was amazed!

Miracle 4
Another miracle is when I was working for a company and the boss had a problem with me. He had asked me to do something I thought was unethical and I refused, and he asked me to leave. I called a man who had asked me to work with his company on a contract basis a year ago, but he said absolutely, but he had to wait for a go ahead from the landlord to give me an office there. So I tithed on the money I had left that I got from severance pay from my last job and went home to just pray and wait and read my Bible. Well I waited and read for 10 hrs. a day for a few months, not applying anywhere else because God told me in my heart not to worry. So he finally called and I moved in to the new office and worked with this company. After a month I had $20 in my account and my rent was due. I told the secretary that I couldn't pay my rent at 5 pm probably, but she said its only 10 am, and the rent is not due until 5 pm so don't worry because we had all prayed at the staff meeting. So I went back in my office. At 3 pm a man called and said that he wanted an appointment. I gave him one at 4 pm, and he came. He said I like you and I want to pay for the next few months for my teens to come to you and he gave me a few thousand dollars at 4:50 pm and I could pay my rent at 5pm. That year God increased my pay from $3000 to over $8000 a month. For some its not much but for me it was a lot!

Miracle 5
Another miracle is when I was in Grad school and was diagnosed with leukemia. I quit school and went back home to just pray, rest, and eat better. I never saw a doctor for a year I just prayed and rested and ate better! I went back a year later and the doctor said that I was healthy!

Miracle 6
Another miracle was when I prayed that my Mom would have peace when she died and then a white dove came to my window a minute later and landed on the grass; and then another one came to my window and flew over my house. She died in peace a couple of days later. I asked all my neighbors if they have ever seen white doves here in this town. They have lived here for 70 years and they said. No never. It was a sign from God he answered my prayer. I also prayed my sister would reach her before she died I knew God would keep her alive until she got there. My sister got to her side and held her hand and a minute later she died! The light shined through the window in her room when she took her last breath.

Miracle 7
When my father was in the hospital sick dying I prayed that he would be alive for me to visit him. I had to work 2 weeks before I could leave. Other family members were there until I got there but he was unconscious the whole time. I knew that God would keep him alive until I got there because God answers my prayers. When I walked in his hospital room he woke up for the first time in many weeks. I held his hand for many days and as we talked and prayed he cried and said that he believed in God. And then he died! God kept him alive so we could have that time together!

Miracle 8.
Another miracle is when this Corona virus happened. I didn't know if I would lose my job or go broke, so I trusted in the Lord and gave double tithing to show God Im trusting you. I made double ever since. It's amazing how God takes care of us.

Miracle 9.
Another miracle is when God says he takes care of our kids, he means it. I can't believe my daughter never got Corona virus when her husband has it, and they sleep together.He took the long test and it is valid.

There are so many things that happen in my life everyday and I will add more miracles to this post as I remember them and as I see how God takes care of me daily. It's a miracle after miracle.

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“Be strong and very courageous. Be careful to obey all the law my servant Moses gave you; do not turn from it to the right or to the left, that you may be successful wherever you go. Keep this Book of the Law always on your lips; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful." Josh 1:7-8
@Carazaa I don't actually watch sports. College football is the one exception, because my mom went to U of O, so go Ducks, but at the same time, I'm not exactly a fan of sports that damage people's brains. I used to watch a lot of basketball when I was a kid, but I've sort of gotten bored with it. If I got back into any sport, it would probably be basketball.

Okay, let's see what we can do here.

1. I agree, no group of people is completely uniform, because we all have unique brains, but what we've got here is an ad populum fallacy. If 2 billion people were jumping off a bridge, would you do that?

2. Bible prophecies are written rather vaguely. I could easily prophesy several things that are guaranteed to come true, e.g., there will be an earthquake in California tomorrow, or a mugging in New York.

3. Repeat of point 2, imo.

4. You literally just said the Bible is true because of how the stories in the Bible turn out. I could use the same logic to prove that the Harry Potter series of books is true.

5. So certain principles outlined by the HUMANS who wrote the various books now known as the Bible are good principles. The same could be said about several other books.

6. Argumentum ad authoritatum fallacy. If Albert Einstein jumped off a bridge, would you do it?

7. I don't see God when I look around. The world is such that certain animals have to hurt and kill other animals in order to survive. And I could dedicate an entire post to all of the "design" flaws in mammalian anatomy, let alone the human body. If God designed it, he needs to go back to design school.

8. I'm glad amazing things have happened for you. However, that isn't necessarily proof that your particular god is the one looking out for you. It could be an ancestor, or one of the other thousands of gods who have been postulated over the centuries. It doesn't even have to be a god. It could be a goddess. I'm glad to know that you recovered from one of the most lethal forms of cancer by praying and eating right, but prayer is really a form of meditation on positive imagery. It's possible you might have simply healed yourself.

TL,DR, for those folks with the attention span of a goldfish (I'm including myself in that, so don't get mad, guys): that honestly doesn't prove that your deity of choice created the world.
Carazaa · F
@LordShadowfire Thank you for your thoughts, I think you misunderstoor the evidence I presented to a significant degee and I will tell you why later tonight. I am still working so I'll get back to you!
Carazaa · F
@LordShadowfire 🌷

1. My point was that God saved me, even though I was not indoctrinated. I read the Bible because I was curious and I thought it at the time that it was ridiculous that God writes books. But he saved me with his words, and I realized I was a sinner and cried my heart out. My sin was that I had questioned God.

2.That there is an earthquake in california is very general compared to God telling the Jews that he would scatter them and people will hate them in those countries and that they would get their land back. See it was very accurate, and so are 1000 other prophesies.

3. You literally skipped over all the end time signs that are happening now, how convenient 😂 .

4. People were willing to testify and die that they saw Jesus raised from the dead, so that is evidence it happened. There is more proof that Jesus lived than Shakespears lived because of the detailed writings.

5. What other books do countries follow that have been as successful as the Bible? What does books about good principles have to do with all the christian countries have been the first in prosperity and invention? You just proved that the Bible is the BEST book for success!

6. I have shared there is a lot of Nobel prize winners who are christian and come from christian families, like my family. So what does that have to do with jumping off bildings? I just proved that smart people know that God helps them.

7.It is self evident that the world did not come about by itself. Logically things never make themselves. They just don't. This is why most people in the world know there is a God, even if they havent found Jesus yet. Every country has a religion, every single one. Satan has torally deceived some people sadly to think that he doesnt exist. Most atheists are in the countries with a lot of science knowledge. But the most educated hard scientists [b]do[/b] have faith in God as I shared from research, even more than soft scientists. The more we learn the more self evident it is! And flaws? if you take all the design flaws against all the wonderst and beauty in the world the flaws come way short. The curse that humans cause because of our constant sinning has really messed up the world, and put a curse on us from God. We are wicked through and through. "[b]The human heart is wicked beyond measure" I read an article about sceptics and their difficulty with sertain kinds of
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8. God is the healer, there is no other healer. However if I was better because of low stress and nutrition, what about the daily miracles in my life. Not many bad things ever happen to me anymore. Tonight after work I went to a major store to buy new sheets and stuff for the bathroom because Im having guests. I dropped my wallet in the parkinglot. I live way out in the country and had to go back when I realized I had lost my wallet. And I knew where too because things fell out of the cart with my purse because the cart was full. It took over an hour for me to return. I kew it would be found and kept in the lost and found or still on the ground because I prayed. I have faith. And Someone turned it in! Yep Things happen weekly and the more I pray the more I have faith. And all the miracles I wrote about are not coincidences, no way!
@Carazaa[quote]1. My point was that God saved me, even though I was not indoctrinated. I read the Bible because I was curious and I thought it at the time that it was ridiculous that God writes books. But he saved me with his words, and I realized I was a sinner and cried my heart out. My sin was that I had questioned God.[/quote]
Okay, so you managed to convince yourself God is real. So did I once.

[quote]2.That there is an earthquake in california is very general compared to God telling the Jews that he would scatter them and people will hate them in those countries and that they would get their land back. See it was very accurate, and so are 1000 other prophesies.[/quote]
Not really. The Jews had a lot of enemies in those days, as they do now, and they were a global minority, as they are now. It stood to reason that their land would eventually be taken from them, and lest we forget, the people who gave it back to them were all Bible thumpers. They deliberately made that prophecy come true.

[quote]3. You literally skipped over all the end time signs that are happening now, how convenient 😂 .[/quote]
You mean the ones that literally sound like hallucinations from consuming one of the few plants that grow on the island of Patmos? The ones that can be interpreted to fit just about any global disaster?

[quote]4. People were willing to testify and die that they saw Jesus raised from the dead, so that is evidence it happened.[/quote]
Name five, then prove they existed. I'll wait.

[quote]5. What other books do countries follow that have been as successful as the Bible? [/quote]
Ad populum fallacy. Everybody take a drink.

[quote]6. I have shared there is a lot of Nobel prize winners who are christian and come from christian families, like my family. So what does that have to do with jumping off bildings? I just proved that smart people know that God helps them.[/quote]
It's called an argument ad authoritatum, and it's a logical fallacy. Albert Einstein was an atheist, or if he was a theist, he was most likely Buddhist. Since he was the smartest guy of his day, you should go be Buddhist now. See how that sounds?

[quote]7.It is self evident that the world did not come about by itself.[/quote]
Nope.
[quote]Logically things never make themselves.[/quote]
You've never spent much time in a biology lab.
[quote]Every country has a religion, every single one. [/quote]
Now you're just posting proven lies, and even if you weren't, you're back to the argumentum ad populum fallacy. Everybody take another drink.

I'm not going to quote point number 8, because your whole point is that somebody turned in your wallet, therefore Jesus. Doesn't even merit a counter argument.
DocSavage · M
@Carazaa
On clay tablets from Babylon, is the history of creation dated centuries before the bible there are seven of them. On for each “day” of creation. Including how the gods created humans. They did it so they could take the week end off.
Carazaa · F
@DocSavage Sounds like it is supporting the 6 day creation in the Bible then!
DocSavage · M
@Carazaa
No Eden, no Yahweh, more than one god involved. Sounds like a lot of creation myths. Looks like Christianity just borrowed that one just like the rest.
DocSavage · M
@Carazaa
Which proves only one point primitive believed in a higher power . Not a surprise, you don’t expect to see biologists are physic professors in the Stone Age. The clay tablets show the origins of the myths in your bible. The names may change but the game is still the same, the Babylonians started it, the Christians took what they liked from it, so did the others. But it’s still mythology. No matter how many believe in it, it doesn’t make it true. Religions have come and gone, and will continue to do so. All you have accomplished is that a lot of people have followed the same fairytales in one form or another for a long time. There are alternatives now. With the speed with which information can travel to day, the fairytales are losing ground to what can shown and demonstrated to be true. Many that identify as Christians, really don’t give it much thought anymore. Ask them if they believe in god, they’ll say yes. Ask them about the bible and you get the scene from a movie. Rather than a verse. It’s just not that important anymore.