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"If God loves me like he said he does, then why don't he just save me?" [Spirituality & Religion]

And God shall say, with tears flowing down...

"I tried that.

Remember?"

"Remember, when you told me you didn't want me or need me?

I remember that day when you said, "No, thank you. I'll get to heaven, my OWN way. I don't need YOU, to do that for me."

I remember that day when you mocked and laughed at me, and called me a "Flying Spaghetti Monster", remember that?

Little did you know... That while you were saying all that, I was proving my love for you, and paying for your sins, because I love you so much. I created you, Son. You were mine. Man is my Crown Creation! And all I could think about, when I was hanging on that cross, was YOU.

I DIDN'T HANG THERE FOR MYSELF. I HUNG THERE FOR YOU. I wanted NOTHING MORE... Than for you, to be with ME...in heaven.


So, son, I ask you now...

And Jesus wept and said,

"WHY, SON?!! WHY!! would you not let me SAVE you, like I WANTED to, so BAD? [b][c=#BF0000]JOHN 3:16[/c][/b]

WHY wouldn't you TRUST Me??

WHY did you throw me away, when I could have SAVED YOU!!!

WHY have you made Me suffer and sacrifice my LIFE for you, in VAIN?

SON, I OFFERED IT TO YOU SO FREELY AND UNSELFISHLY. IT WAS "I" WHO SUFFERED THE HARD PART. So you... COULD DO THE EASY PART, and just trust me to save you.

It not true, that you've hurt no one. You will never know, by your rejecting me and my love... How you have crushed my heart to pieces. For now, I suffer as unto death.

My son, what you didn't know, was that I never turned you away.

Ever.

It was you...by your OWN tongue... who sent Me away. And that is why, if someone turns Me away, they also turn away My perfect Plan of Salvation. But for those yet still alive, Jesus waits for you to come so he can rescue you from the sins that condemn you. He shall never turn you away. [b][c=#BF0000]JOHN 3:36[/c][/b]

I am not willing that ANY should perish, but have EVERLASTING LIFE. Like you, I tried My best... Not just to SHOW you my love. But to PROVE it to you. MY works are HOLY, because "I" am the HOLY, GREAT, "I AM."

MY WORKS on the cross, were so YOU could be saved. YOUR WORKS, in your sinful state, mean NOTHING. Your sins can give Me no Glory. But once you ask forgiveness and your sins are no more, your spiritual works shall count for good, as they bring Glory to Me and My Father.

All were foolish, to think that Satan and his demons could match the power and strength of Almighty God. SATAN, who is sin personified, cannot forgive sins. For he, himself, is sin, and could not even win the war in Heaven:

The Bible gives reference that [b][c=#BF0000]there are two occasions whereSataniscastoutofHeaven; once with his angels, and once in the future.... Since the ultimate fall ofSatanis actually yet in the future (Revelation 9:1)... Lucifer, himself, shall one day fall under the judgment of God.[/c][/b]

It is only by My saving GRACE... MY WORKS... That you are saved. Not by YOUR WORKS.... Lest you should BOAST! [b]EPHESIANS 2:9[/b]

Did you sacrifice your life, to save Me? No. Instead, it was your sins that hung me there.

WERE YOU FAIR TO ME? TELL ME WHAT SIN "I" HAVE DONE TO YOU.

And that is why scripture has said that HELL HATH ENLARGED ITSELF. To make room for all whose sins, still separate them from God. Those who refused to believe My Truths, so I could rescue them from Hell.

ALL who did it "their way". Those who mock laugh, criticize, curse Him, and sadly, claim there is no God. When they find out there is, it will be too late, once they pass from life to death. But for those, still alive, God shall in no wise cast away. [b][c=#BF0000]JOHN 6:36[/c][/b]



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Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
Ok, I understand your point and it is very well made.

However, you, I assume, have been privileged with a personal encounter with God, in whatever form, many haven't.

To me, to experience him is to be able to fall in Love with Him.

To intellectually know of him or to have heard of him is not the same?
@Zeusdelight I thank you so much for this entry. I am nobody. I'm like everyone else. I am above no one and the same privilege that God gave me, John 3:16 says, he offered to the world.

God does not hold one above the other. Nor does he loved one over the other. He proved that when he died for all, not just some, and not just one. I will find my personal testimony and send it to you in a link. I'll come back and do that. Should you not wish to read it, that is quite alright. But God loves you just as much as he loves me or anybody else in this world.

His love for you is unmeasurable and unending. And when anybody in this world comes to him and wants to know him and accept him as their savior, he never turns them away.

He doesn't even condemn us for what we've done. That is, he sees that our sins keep us separated from him, but nothing could ever touch the love he has for us in his heart, as a person. The only thing he's trying to do is help people see that he wants them in heaven with him, and as long as they don't confess their sins, those very same sins condemn them and keep them separated from him.


@Zeusdelight As promised: HOW I FOUND THE LORD

I decided to just share it here.

This is my personal, true miracle testimony. I hope you like it.

I used to think the same as some of you. I thought there was a God, but couldn't seem to find him. I sought him out for so many years. I thought, surely there must be something I must DO to earn my way to heaven. So in an effort to find Him, I made my way to the front of my old church, to give my heart to Jesus...at least three times. Nothing happened. Nothing at all. I felt so sad and empty. I thought, "What am I missing?!! Where ARE you, God?!!" I was angry. I felt so alone, but I kept praying to find this "God" person. The more years that went by, the lonelier and sadder I got, until one day, I just didn't care anymore, and did something that ended me up in a place where there was no hope for me at all..and death was now eminent.

There was no way out this time, and I knew my life had come to an end. As my life began to slowly slip away, I felt so ashamed as I reflected on how I had let my life get this far out of hand, but I hadn't wanted anyone else to know how out of control it had gotten. Especially my family, so I kept it all to myself. I preferred to die, rather than let anyone know how far depression had taken me.

In my frame of mind BEFORE I reached this point, I knew no other alternatives. I felt I had no place to look for help, no one to turn to, and no one who cared, so here I was now... lying in bed in the dark, in my little trailer...when suddenly it occurred to me that I could look in the one place I had never looked before...and that was UP!

I WANTED to do better. Somehow, I just wanted to fix, and make up for all the mistakes I'd ever made. But how could that even be possible? It was too late now. I was dying.

Before I closed my eyes for what I thought was the last time, it finally dawned on me, that I wasn't at ALL sure, whether I'd wake up in heaven, or I'd wake up in hell. Let me tell you...that is a VERY sobering thought, when you're looking at death square in the face! Sadly, I had not even PLANNED where I'd spend eternity, yet here I was, about to find out, and totally unprepared!!

I said this: "God? I don't know if you can hear me or not, but I'm about to die here, and I just now realized I'm not sure if I'll wake up in heaven or hell! I hope you'll forgive me and let me be in heaven with you when I die. I'm not even sure if you're listening to me, but if you are, I just want to say that I'm really sorry I messed up the life you gave me. I see now, my life was a gift from you to me, yet I selfishly wasted all those years, and I'm so sorry. I wish I could make them up to you. I would, if I could. I also want you to know that I love you with all my heart, and if you'll let me live, I'll prove it to you. I'll make up for all those years I wasted apart from you. I'll live for you and I'll tell everyone I know about you, your great love, and how much you love them. Please forgive me for all my sins. Thanks for listening to me. Thank you for loving me and forgiving my sins. In Jesus' name, Amen."

I didn't think another thing of it. I just knew I had said my peace, and God knew I meant it from my heart. I wasn't afraid to die anymore. God knew I wasn't playing. He knew I meant business. That being said, I peacefully closed my eyes and expected to die.

To my great surprise, I didn't die!! I woke up in the morning, so happy to be alive, that I got up and jumped around on my bed! I wasn't even sick anymore!!! Instead of dying, God had unbelievably heard my prayer!!! I still can't believe it!! He ACTUALLY heard MY prayer, and let me live! What had woke me up that morning, was the bright sunshine streaming from the window, into my eyes. I still feel overwhelmed by it, to this day! I threw back the tiny curtains even more, and what I saw next, I'll never forget! All the colors outside were like something you'd see in a cartoon or fairytale. So bright, bold, and twice as colorful as I had EVER seen them! I couldn't stop laughing, as the tears rolled down my cheeks. I really was ALIVE!!

Who am I, that he would hear ME, allll the way from heaven?!!! Nobody. But he did and I'm here to tell it. He didn't have to do that...but he did. He knew in my heart I meant what I said. I had no earthly idea, God would really hear me, or save me. I was simply saying my peace. And the truth of the matter is, it wasn't my words that saved me at all. It was my faith that he forgave me of my sins, and accepted my whole-hearted commitment to live for him. And I found out that's exactly why I never found him all those years. Our salvation isn't about feelings at all. It's about commitment. God doesn't want half a commitment...half our heart...nor to serve him on OUR terms. No. He wants our WHOLE heart! That's what tells him we truly love him. So the key to salvation is total commitment. Would you want someone to love you half-heartedly? Of course not. That's not love. It's total commitment that counts. There is NO substitute for Jesus in this life.

I've kept my commitment to God ever since that day He heard me on July 21, 1973, and I've never been sorry. My birthday may be on December 17th, but it's not nearly as important as my spiritual birth on July 21, 1973. Thats why they call it being "born again". That's the birthday I celebrate most, when I accepted Jesus as my personal Savior, for if it wasn't for Him, I wouldn't be alive to tell my story today. I am so grateful for that chance. I feel this way...if God could give me his personal best, how could I dare give Him less? So if I seem "fanatical", it's because of my personal encounter with the Living God of this universe. A TRUE miracle, and one anyone can have. I think anyone would feel the same, had they experienced what I did. Unbelievable? Oh, absolutely!! Yet at the same time...so true!! A real miracle! And God is in the miracle business.

Yes, only I can know that. If you're looking for Jesus, I can give you a head start if you're interested. It has to do with 100% commitment. With all your heart, or not at all. All I can say is, He's definitely worth it, and I'll serve Him until He calls me home. Gladly!! Now I can shout 'He saved me completely, and now I am truly free!!' Are you?
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
@LadyGrace A wonderful story from you. I believe that was your experience and your commitment to Him/Her is real.

But that is my point, until someone has a "real" experience with Him/Her thay do not know him/her. They may know of Him/Her but not know him.

So how can they ever be thought of rejecting him/her?

I say him/her because the being you call God is beyond human sexuality.
@Zeusdelight Yes sir, that is very true what you said about God not being any gender. However, please consider that the reason Jesus came to the Earth and paid for our sins on the cross, was to make himself more identifiable to people so they could really understand who he is and that's why he came as a man. I mean he had to come as a man or woman, so he came as a man and all of scripture describes him as HE, only because God wanted to relate to us and present himself in the flesh as man. He knew that he had to prove himself AND tell us how to get to heaven, so he came as a man and when he resurrected yes, he is God, Spirit, no gender. But for telling people about him, this is the way we have to express ourselves. People just wouldn't understand that the other way.

Here's the way it works with God as far as believing [below]. You know, there's a lot of people that say they love God and believe in him but that sure is a whole lot different, as you have said, than having a personal relationship with God. And anyone can ask God to forgive them for their sins, so they can be forgiven, forgotten, and they can have eternal life. It takes believing him and taking him at His Word.

MAN SAYS: "SHOW me. And THEN I'll believe!"

GOD SAYS: "BELIEVE. And THEN I will show you!"

Since Jesus is in heaven, obviously we can't see him, so that's why now it takes faith. And God honors our faith.

The "proof" of God, is in the [b]experience[/b]. That's what people don't get. That's the way it works in the spirit world, just the opposite from here. Man makes the mistake of trying to set the [b]standard[/b] for God's Plan of Salvation, FOR HIM. He doesn't get to do that. God won't honor that because for one thing man's idea of how to be saved, is not a perfect plan because we are not perfect like God and we never will be. Until we get to heaven. Mankind couldn't save himself, if he wanted to, except for God's [b]grace[/b], because sin cannot forgive sin. It took a pure and holy sacrifice. It really won't matter if we understand each and every little little detail, before we accept Jesus as Lord as Savior. Because if we go to heaven with our sins still in tact, we've lost not only our life, but more importantly, we'll condemn our soul to hell. We lose everything. That is why God prepared A Place For Us in heaven. Because it is a lovely, pure place, where sin can never abide. If that happened, but it can't, it wouldn't be called heaven anymore.

I'm going out of town today so I've got to get going. But if you have any more questions, please feel free to p.m. me if you like. Or here again in the Forum. Thank you and have a great day.
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
@LadyGrace I suppose my point is simple. Many Christians dam people for not accepting Him as their Lord and Saviour. Is this just if they have had no personal experiences such as yours?
@Zeusdelight no sir. Unfortunately, only God knows their heart if they are truly Christians or not, but if they truly new Jesus as Savior, they would never damn people. No matter who it is in the world who follows Christ, if they are dedicated and truly loved him, they will reflect his behavior. We are not to judge anyone. It really really upsets me when they do this because for those who truly art in the Lord, it also reflects bad on them and then people just don't even want to hear it. And I can't blame them. The Christians that I know and I know many many many over the years, have never damned people. That's just purely of the devil. Jesus told his followers to go and tell people how they can get to heaven, not to force them. I put my stuff out there and share it, and people can make up their own minds. But that doesn't mean I don't love them as much as I do anyone else. I'm certainly not Superior. I just avoid people like that. To me they are false teachers and well frankly, they seem to be following Satan than God because God would never do that. Even when Jesus taught in his day, never once did he damn people. And God said in his word that people who do that, will be accountable to him. He really hates that because when they turn people away from Christ, well, God has lost another soul.
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
@LadyGrace But he loved us all even us to reject him, free will.
@Zeusdelight He sure does. It says in the Bible God loves The Sinner himself, meaning as a person, but not their sin. But that doesn't mean that everyone accepts his love. If someone gives you a birthday gift, you have to reach out and get it. If you receive it, that means you accept it. Same thing with God. He's not going to give the privilege of heaven, to someone who just treats his death and suffering flippantly, like trash, and sees no worth in how much he suffered for us on the cross. He paid too high a price to just give it away to people who could care less. He didn't have to die on the cross for us. He could have let us all go to hell. But instead, he [b]volunteered[/b] to pay for our sins. He wasn't thinking of himself. He was thinking of us when he hung on the cross.

With free will, if we want to have a relationship with him, just like you would anyone else, you would address them and talk to them. Unless we do that, God is not going to go against our will. Were you able to read my whole article? You will see exactly where I stand on that.